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hey guys Ryan Sprague here from

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somewhere in the skies and welcome to a

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live stream tonight uh it's a it is

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night time here in the UK good afternoon

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to my people on the East Coast good

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morning on the west coast and everywhere

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in between uh tonight's gonna be awesome

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uh we're gonna be talking to someone

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that I've been wanting to talk to for a

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while now ever since I started listening

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to her podcast and it completely blew me

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away I immediately started uh talking

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about it and became Super Fan so we're

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going to talk all about how the podcast

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came to be how her book came to be as

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well and everything in between all

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things UFOs so this is going to be super

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fun today we have Kelly Chase with us

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from the UFO Rabbit Hole podcast uh but

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before we do that guys uh the Super Chat

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and super stickers are open if you want

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to help support the show tonight and ask

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Kelly a question or myself uh you can go

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ahead and do that every penny goes back

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into the show to make it uh grow and to

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make it even better so thank you in

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advance for that and uh yeah let's not

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waste any more time let's bring her in

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she is an author she is a podcast host

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and a bunch of other things as well

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which I'm sure we'll talk about so Kelly

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welcome for the very first time to

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somewhere in the skies hi Ryan

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for having me

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of course of course now again I said in

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that intro there you know I've been

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following your work ever since you

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started the show uh the minute I saw it

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whatever a new UFO podcast comes around

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I'm like hmm who's this person who's

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this and I will tell you 10 minutes in

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I'm like uh okay I'm a fan I'm a fan and

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uh you know it's you see you see in this

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podcasting world not just UFOs but you

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see people start shows and then maybe

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get like one or two episodes in and it's

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just not what they expected they're not

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getting the listens they want

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um they realize how much work actually

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goes into it which I definitely want to

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touch on with you in a little bit

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um and then they just disappear but I

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knew you know you could tell by the

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first episode The the passion and the

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work that you put into it so um I want

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to congratulate you on your first season

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basically uh I know the show is

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continuing but um yeah yeah uh awesome I

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I hope everyone one will go listen to it

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but enough of my fan Boeing out uh thank

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you so much by the way I really

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appreciate that such a fan of yours and

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of Chrissy's loved your podcast before I

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ever started mine so that means a lot

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thank you thank you hey we build each

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other up this this podcasting world is

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uh probably one of the most supportive

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communities I've ever been a part of

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aside from UFO Twitter uh podcasting in

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general has been where I've made a lot

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of true friends

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um so yeah I want to get your thoughts

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on that too later but I'm getting ahead

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of myself

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for our listeners for our viewers who

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may not be familiar with the UFO Rabbit

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Hole uh tell us a little about

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um how it came to be how the podcast

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came to be and maybe how you first got

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interested in this this topic of UFOs

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yeah absolutely it's it's a crazy story

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I feel like it kind of is for anyone who

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comes to this topic it

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always

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it's crazy how you know it's something

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that's not on your radar at all and then

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once it is you're like oh my gosh this

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is this is what I do now I guess you

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know it's crazy so a few years ago I

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rate UFOs were not on my radar at all it

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was not something I ever thought about I

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considered myself to be very almost like

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anti-woo something that I definitely

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don't identify with anymore

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um I had been working a lot I was like a

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real real workaholic not something I'm

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proud of just the facts and

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um I hadn't taken a vacation in years so

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I was going on vacation to the Outer

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Banks which is actually a place where I

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saw a UFO once when I was a kid and I

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had sort of been hearing all these

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stories in the news this was about two

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years ago and I was like well let's I'm

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gonna spend this week while I'm at the

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beach I'm going to read about UFOs and

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I'm going to get to the bottom of this

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and as you might imagine I did not get

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to the bottom of it in a week when I

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what I found was sort of this infinite

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rabbit hole that just went deeper and

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deeper the more the more that I dug but

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what became clear to me very quickly was

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that what we had here was something real

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and that it was I was shocked at myself

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I was kind of disappointed in myself to

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be honest about the fact that this had

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been going on through my entire life and

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perhaps from you know the beginning of

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human history and that I just had

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completely written it off and thought

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that it was nothing and so that was a

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really humbling experience for me

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um I also happened to be a marketer and

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I'm a brand director for an Ecom company

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and messaging is something that I think

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about a lot kind of all the time it's

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something that I've really been sort of

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a student of for years and so when I

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looked at this I was like oh my gosh how

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did I miss this and then I saw how I

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missed it and I saw how many other

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people missed it and are continuing to

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miss it and what it kind of you know

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they say when you're a hammer everything

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looks like a nail and so you know I'm

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into messaging and so I I'm seeing like

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we have a messaging problem here right

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like we need to create when I got into

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this topic there's so many incredible

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resources out there and so many people

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who have been doing research in this

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field for years and years but the pro

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the thing that I felt like was missing

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was that on-ramp like where's the 101

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class like where's the thing that takes

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you from hey I'm a completely reasonable

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educated person who never considered

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UFOs before I think there might be

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something to this by the way I've got a

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job I've maybe got kids I've got bills

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to pay you know not everybody has the

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temperament to go down a rabbit hole for

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you know 40 hours a week on their own

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time so how do I create something that

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is an on-ramp for those people who want

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to understand this topic in a full and

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scientific and rational and grounded way

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but are also open-minded enough to

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actually look at the facts and to look

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at the evidence and to see what's there

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and so I've really taken all of the

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tools that I've learned as a marketer in

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my career and also I've had a few

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podcasts in the past and you know

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different genres so I had that

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experience as well and kind of put it

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all together and was like I'm going to

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solve this problem or at least do my

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best here's my entry just solving the

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problem

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I mean this that's UFOs in a nutshell

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um but no that's really refreshing

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um because again there's so many younger

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people getting involved in this topic

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since 2017 which we will definitely

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discuss uh in great length and uh a lot

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of them don't know where to turn I

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didn't know where to turn I've been

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studying off those

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since I was 13 years old and you know

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back then that was like the Advent of

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AOL forums and all that so like talk

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about a rabbit hole I was like JFK

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assassination over here in bilderbergs

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and you know stuff like that and uh

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there was no like One-Stop shock for

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just talking about the one thing I

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wanted to talk about which was UFOs uh

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so I started going to my library and

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taking out books on the topic and then

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um like you like your show aptly titles

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started going down that rabbit hole so

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it is it's a lot of stumbling and um you

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know going down one road and then taking

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a detour going back going forward and uh

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yeah it's frustrating it's exciting it's

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exhausting

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um but there's a reason I'm still here

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some 20 years later of UFO research and

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there's a reason there's such a hunger

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and curious velocity I think for this

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topic and shows like yours so uh I I

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love hearing that I do want to rewind

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though you mentioned you had a UFO

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sighting I have to ask could you detail

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that at all for us go into a little bit

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more detail about that if you're

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comfortable with it oh sure absolutely

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um so I was probably like 12 or 13 and I

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was at the outer banks with my family

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and I was sitting outside on the porch

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like we had the beachfront house and we

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were up kind of on the third or fourth

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floor and so I had this beautiful view

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of just the sky and you know I'm from

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I'm a city mouse I'm from the suburbs in

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the city and that sort of thing so I

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never really see that dark sky where you

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actually can see the stars and so I was

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always sort of transfixed and I would go

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out and sit there and just look up at

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the sky and one night I was doing this

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um and I had this feeling that I was

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going to see a UFO which was the

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weirdest thing it was not a thought that

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it ever crossed my mind before and the

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second I thought that I saw this light

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um coming across the sky and it was up

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very high and I thought it was a plane

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but it did kind of like a right angle

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turn and then a right angle turn and

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then it just shot off like way past the

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meteor and I had never seen anything

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like that that could make right turns or

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move that fast and I didn't have a lot

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of I mean I was a kid I didn't like

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exactly have a background in like

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aviation history or anything but that

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did not seem right to me

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um and so I went inside and I told my

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family and I was all worked up and they

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all accused me of smoking weed and did

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not believe me so

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so that had been that that had been a

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sighting that it kind of stuck with me

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for my my whole life but at the same

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time I would go years without thinking

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about it because I didn't have anything

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to attach it to I had seen something

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that I knew instinctively was impossible

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but and everyone around me told me

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didn't trust me and so at a certain

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point you kind of stopped trusting

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yourself and it wasn't until I started

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really going down this rabbit hole and

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understanding that like this is

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something real that people experience

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all the time you know it gives you that

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perspective shift that allows you to go

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back and sort of excavate your older you

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know experiences you may have had in

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your life and I was really shocked to be

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like oh maybe I did see something it

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turns out there's actually a lot of

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sightings in that area so who knows

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interesting so I guess to kind of fast

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forward then

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um you know you had the sighting you

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didn't talk about it for a while and

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everything uh but then out of nowhere

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you start a UFO podcast so how does that

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happen how what was like that that

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Pinnacle moment I know for me it was you

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know I had been co-hosting a another

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podcast Into The Fray with a colleague

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of mine Shannon legrow and that was kind

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of you know she'd have me come on and

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talk UFOs every now and again I was like

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the UFO correspondent and then I thought

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huh maybe maybe there's something here

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maybe I could do this on my own and uh

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Shannon was basically my mentor and and

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helped me uh build that confidence to

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start my own show and uh and some almost

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300 episodes later uh people are still

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listening which is amazing to me

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um but for you someone who um had seen a

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UFO but never really uh you know know

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was in the quote unquote UFO Community

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uh

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until not too long ago to be completely

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honest at least on my radar

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um yeah how does that happen how did you

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start a UFO podcast what was that moment

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like for you it's actually it was pretty

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intense it's something I've only like

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recently started talking about because

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it took me a long time to kind of unpack

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it and know

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I still don't think I know what happened

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to me but just get to a point where I

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even felt comfortable discussing it but

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I was this was in August of last year so

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2021 and I had been doing this now for

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like and by doing this I mean

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obsessively reading about UFOs just

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anything I could get my hands on I

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didn't even know what was good at the

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time like I it was just like it was a

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mess it was a free-for-all buffet of

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insanity and I was just consuming

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everything from like Reddit manifestos

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to Jacques filet and trying to find

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something in between that made sense and

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I so I had like no real orientation

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within this

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um I had been kind of thinking about

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starting another podcast but in a very

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vague sort of way but the thing that

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really tipped me over the edge was

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it was a random Saturday morning in

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August I was sitting uh cross-legged in

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the middle of my bed I was actually

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surrounded by books because at this

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point I was like full-blown crazy style

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reading everything like it was all I was

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doing with my free time and

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um I had what I can only describe as the

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most intense psychedelic experience of

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my life condensed down into like two

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minutes

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and it's hard to express exactly what I

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saw or experienced it's I'm still

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dealing with that but I will say I went

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into that experience an atheist in a

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strict materialist and I came out of it

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certain that there is a God

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um and I also came out of it knowing

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that UFOs that I was supposed to start a

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UFO podcast I I know that sounds crazy

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but I but I literally wrote I I outlined

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it the whole outline kind of came to me

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and I I what's crazy to me is that I was

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so early in my research and I really for

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me to be able to the outline I've stuck

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to that outline which is what's really

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crazy and because it came to me kind of

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complete and I understand now how it

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hangs together in a way that I didn't

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understand how that outline hung

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together before so I don't really know

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what that experience was and I think a

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lot of my continued study into this

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topic is

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um it is rooted in that you know I I am

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fully open to and respectful of ideas

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that people have about this being like a

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psychic downloader communication or a I

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don't know to be honest I don't know

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what happened to me but I know that that

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I know that when that was finished like

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I started at the website that day like I

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outlined within two months the web the

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the podcast was live and I have just

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I don't know it was the craziest thing

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that's ever happened to me to be honest

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with you and it's kind of the last thing

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I ever expected to do with my time but

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here we are wow that's there's got to be

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something especially with your UFO

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sighting where you say you were almost

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drawn or pulled to uh to it there's

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there seems to be uh I think it was one

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of my first episodes within my first

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five episodes I spoke to a wasn't a

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woman named uh Susan uh Demeter Sinclair

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and she talks all about the

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parapsychological aspects to the UFO

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phenomenon and how a lot of people are

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just you know whatever sitting around in

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their their house or driving on the road

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and something just tells them I need to

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look out my window and I need to go

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outside right now and then something

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happens so I I can't tell you how many

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stories I've gotten over the years where

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that was the case and um I do truly

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believe there's something to that and

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then again you know with this this

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experience you had you know sitting on

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your bed and all of a sudden boom here

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you are uh with with the UFO Rabbit Hole

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podcast it's I I know that feeling where

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you feel like this was supposed to

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happen in some way shape or form

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um

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I don't know what do you do you believe

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in destiny is that something you you

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would ascribe to or

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what do you think I'm not sure I

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write especially right now because I

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feel like I'm kind of in an expansion

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mode where I'm taking in a bunch of new

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ideas and I haven't necessarily like

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whittled them down to decide what I what

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I think I will say that I'm writing a

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book

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um that I'm hoping will be out next year

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about this very phenomenon I think that

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there is something about

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it's very weird to me how the more I

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learn about the phenomenon it actually

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really fits into the work that I was

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doing in marketing like for instance I

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was teaching I've been teaching the

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heroes journey to my teams and doing

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corporate trainings and stuff like that

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for years as a way to kind of like

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Leverage I really see the hero's journey

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as being a kind of technology that like

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interacts with the software of

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Consciousness that can you can use to

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drive certain action you know I've

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always said marketing's kind of like a

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psychology for sociopaths in a way

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um

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but uh there's something about that Call

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to Adventure that happens in the hero's

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journey there's like this initiating

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event in the and paranormal experiences

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the UFO phenomenon things like this like

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seeing a UFO is a great example of like

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an initiatory experience that that

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starts that that cycle and that journey

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and that seeking within someone it's the

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recognition that your life is that the

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world is more than you thought it was

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that there's

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that you are somehow more important than

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you thought you were that the world is

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some or it's there's more meaning or

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significance than you thought like that

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or that there's some kind of a secret

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right like that's what starts the hero's

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journey and so you know that's something

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that I that I think about all the time

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and so I don't know what that is and I

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don't know what causes that

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um but I do know that

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probably the thing that I find to be the

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most interesting of all of this is how

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it is not just what the UFO phenomenon

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is but how it changes people and how it

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transforms people and how it because to

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me part of the reason that I even like I

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was afraid to tell my story before and I

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still tell it with a degree of

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hesitation now but the reason that I'm

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so open about talking about it is that

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once I started telling my story other

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people started telling me theirs and I

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realized that so many people like you

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said have had this story is like a very

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common story it's not and I'm in no way

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unusual for having gone through

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something like this and so I am I think

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that you know for me UFOs are kind of

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the the doorway into this whole topic

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and kind of hoping to expand people's

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minds to new possibilities but the work

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that I think I'm going to be most

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focused on moving forward into the

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future is probably going to be around

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this idea of Storytelling as a

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technology and how that impacts human

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consciousness

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interesting yeah and storytelling has

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been around since the beginning of time

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so the evolution in that of course it's

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gonna it will lead I think to some sort

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of convergence as we move forward

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um uh I love that I love that road

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you're going down I can't wait to see

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what comes of that

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um well I have to ask you know for a lot

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of the people who are kind of new to the

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topic a lot of that has to do with boom

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New York Times 2017. this article

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explodes and

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um goes viral and the whole world is now

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talking about UFOs and I know that's um

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that was kind of how you started the

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podcast was with this whole Tom Delong

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to the Stars Academy

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um thing and uh you know say what you

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want about time to log and how all that

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all ended up playing out but we do have

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him to thank for a lot of where we are

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today in the conversation whether it's

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in the halls of Congress or um you know

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TV shows or the mainstream media

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covering the topic it was not like this

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before 2017. nobody was listening to us

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except one another and now the whole

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world is listening and it's really

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changed everything so I guess for you

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what was that moment like when you first

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read that article and why'd you decide

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to start the podcast kind of talking

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about this whole uh post 2017 ufology I

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guess

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yeah that's such a great question I mean

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I think part of it is because that's the

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story that was quarter that my my entry

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point although I didn't get there in

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2017 took me a couple more years

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um but also because what

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okay

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so in marketing right if you're going to

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introduce people to a new idea or like

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something that they're like not super

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familiar with there's something that we

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we talk about a lot which is mental

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00:21:46,250 --> 00:21:42,960
availability which is basically that

542
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:46,260
someone needs to when they identify that

543
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:48,240
they have a need is when they're going

544
00:21:52,250 --> 00:21:49,679
to think about your product like that's

545
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:52,260
when you have the opening to kind of get

546
00:21:56,270 --> 00:21:54,480
in there and potentially like make your

547
00:21:57,950 --> 00:21:56,280
message right is when they when they are

548
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:57,960
able to connect that need with the thing

549
00:22:01,789 --> 00:21:59,520
that with the thing that you're offering

550
00:22:04,669 --> 00:22:01,799
right so they use this example of

551
00:22:06,409 --> 00:22:04,679
toothpaste uh it's like marketing 101.

552
00:22:08,330 --> 00:22:06,419
it's in every it's in every book so they

553
00:22:10,010 --> 00:22:08,340
invented toothpaste like back in the I

554
00:22:12,350 --> 00:22:10,020
think like 1820s but it didn't catch on

555
00:22:14,330 --> 00:22:12,360
for decades until marketers came along

556
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:14,340
and made it popular and the way that

557
00:22:20,570 --> 00:22:18,240
they did that was by um they talked

558
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:20,580
about the film on your teeth

559
00:22:24,169 --> 00:22:22,799
now before that people had never it's

560
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:24,179
not that there wasn't plaque or that

561
00:22:27,409 --> 00:22:25,440
there wasn't tartar that people didn't

562
00:22:29,149 --> 00:22:27,419
have a film on their teeth before it's

563
00:22:30,770 --> 00:22:29,159
that like before toothpaste and before

564
00:22:32,510 --> 00:22:30,780
you know tooth brushing was a regular

565
00:22:34,430 --> 00:22:32,520
thing everyone just had that and so it's

566
00:22:35,630 --> 00:22:34,440
like it's like air it's just it's just

567
00:22:37,070 --> 00:22:35,640
there it's just part of your life it's

568
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:37,080
not something of which you are conscious

569
00:22:41,210 --> 00:22:39,360
right but the mar these marketers then

570
00:22:43,549 --> 00:22:41,220
put it into people's heads

571
00:22:45,770 --> 00:22:43,559
there's a film on your teeth and once

572
00:22:48,409 --> 00:22:45,780
people attach to that now there's a need

573
00:22:51,529 --> 00:22:48,419
right now there's a reason for that

574
00:22:55,250 --> 00:22:51,539
information to penetrate and so in some

575
00:22:58,850 --> 00:22:55,260
ways 2017 was like that 2017 was for

576
00:23:01,549 --> 00:22:58,860
people who may have been open to this

577
00:23:02,690 --> 00:23:01,559
topic but weren't but would have been if

578
00:23:04,490 --> 00:23:02,700
they were like well if there was any

579
00:23:06,169 --> 00:23:04,500
kind of evidence like give me any kind

580
00:23:08,270 --> 00:23:06,179
of evidence that this is actually real

581
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:08,280
that you know that they would and 2017

582
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:12,000
was that 2017 was enough

583
00:23:16,970 --> 00:23:14,880
noise enough smoke that you almost have

584
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:16,980
to say there's a fire here right like

585
00:23:21,770 --> 00:23:19,919
that there when you and when you really

586
00:23:23,450 --> 00:23:21,780
dig into the story I think Tom Delong in

587
00:23:24,770 --> 00:23:23,460
particular I don't think that we've

588
00:23:26,330 --> 00:23:24,780
talked I don't think we talk about him

589
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:26,340
enough I've seen even just in the time

590
00:23:29,330 --> 00:23:27,600
that I've been in the community this

591
00:23:31,250 --> 00:23:29,340
sort of like moving away from Tom Delong

592
00:23:32,810 --> 00:23:31,260
in a way and granted Tom delan's back

593
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,820
doing what Blink 182 is I don't think

594
00:23:36,049 --> 00:23:34,080
he's like waiting for our attention or

595
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:36,059
anything but I don't think people I

596
00:23:40,010 --> 00:23:37,440
think a lot of people coming into this

597
00:23:41,930 --> 00:23:40,020
topic aren't even like aware of how much

598
00:23:45,289 --> 00:23:41,940
proof there was backing up everything

599
00:23:47,630 --> 00:23:45,299
that Tom DeLonge said and how crazy the

600
00:23:50,810 --> 00:23:47,640
things he was saying in 2016 and 2017

601
00:23:52,909 --> 00:23:50,820
were leading up to this development when

602
00:23:54,590 --> 00:23:52,919
we know we have proof from the people

603
00:23:57,470 --> 00:23:54,600
themselves and through the podesta

604
00:23:59,570 --> 00:23:57,480
emails that were leaked by Wikileaks we

605
00:24:01,250 --> 00:23:59,580
know who he was talking to and it's the

606
00:24:03,289 --> 00:24:01,260
exact people in government who would

607
00:24:04,430 --> 00:24:03,299
have known about UFOs and when you go

608
00:24:06,409 --> 00:24:04,440
back and listen to the stuff that he

609
00:24:08,510 --> 00:24:06,419
says and even he says go back and listen

610
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:08,520
to those interviews I'm not allowed to

611
00:24:11,630 --> 00:24:10,320
say that stuff anymore I got in a lot of

612
00:24:14,029 --> 00:24:11,640
trouble for it go back and listen to

613
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:14,039
what he said dead it's crazy and so like

614
00:24:18,049 --> 00:24:15,840
that for me was the entry point because

615
00:24:19,610 --> 00:24:18,059
I feel like it gives people a place

616
00:24:21,289 --> 00:24:19,620
where you can look at Lou Elizondo you

617
00:24:23,390 --> 00:24:21,299
can look at Chris melon you can look at

618
00:24:24,770 --> 00:24:23,400
you know the people who step forward and

619
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:24,780
you can look at the test emails and you

620
00:24:28,730 --> 00:24:27,360
can go oh crap something happened here I

621
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,740
don't know exactly what it was but

622
00:24:31,549 --> 00:24:30,240
clearly something happened here and it

623
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:31,559
was real

624
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:35,039
yeah right oh it's crazy it's good I I

625
00:24:39,970 --> 00:24:36,960
have gone back you know and everyone

626
00:24:42,649 --> 00:24:39,980
always alludes to the um The Joe Rogan

627
00:24:44,510 --> 00:24:42,659
uh interview that Tom Delong did which

628
00:24:47,870 --> 00:24:44,520
everyone considers like a complete train

629
00:24:50,750 --> 00:24:47,880
wreck and yeah that was Tom DeLonge pre

630
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:50,760
you know having someone telling him you

631
00:24:57,710 --> 00:24:54,000
dude like just calm down a little bit

632
00:25:01,610 --> 00:24:57,720
and you know bent and parcel but um you

633
00:25:05,270 --> 00:25:01,620
could hear he had clearly been told

634
00:25:07,789 --> 00:25:05,280
things that completely blew his mind and

635
00:25:09,409 --> 00:25:07,799
altered his perception of reality as I'm

636
00:25:11,330 --> 00:25:09,419
sure any of us would if we were talking

637
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:11,340
to the people he did I can't even

638
00:25:17,810 --> 00:25:14,159
imagine being in his shoes and and and

639
00:25:19,370 --> 00:25:17,820
mind you like he got himself there so

640
00:25:21,649 --> 00:25:19,380
many people in this field just expect

641
00:25:23,570 --> 00:25:21,659
like oh yeah let all these government

642
00:25:26,690 --> 00:25:23,580
people come to me and tell me the truth

643
00:25:29,390 --> 00:25:26,700
no he banged on doors he did what he had

644
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:29,400
to do he used his influence uh he used

645
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:31,919
some cutting and he got his way his his

646
00:25:38,029 --> 00:25:35,520
foot in the door and and man I I it's

647
00:25:40,610 --> 00:25:38,039
astounding you know what he was able to

648
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,620
accomplish and and a lot of people think

649
00:25:44,570 --> 00:25:42,720
you know they were kind of dead in the

650
00:25:46,730 --> 00:25:44,580
water like to the Stars disappeared

651
00:25:49,789 --> 00:25:46,740
everything they had planned kind of fell

652
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:49,799
apart but if you really look at it

653
00:25:53,870 --> 00:25:51,600
they accomplished pretty much everything

654
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:53,880
they set out to do except build a

655
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:56,640
spaceship out of UFO parts and put it

656
00:26:00,769 --> 00:25:59,279
into space but I mean come on come on I

657
00:26:04,130 --> 00:26:00,779
don't think anyone honestly thought that

658
00:26:07,490 --> 00:26:05,870
fair to really fault him for that

659
00:26:08,930 --> 00:26:07,500
especially because everything else he

660
00:26:10,490 --> 00:26:08,940
said he was going to do also sounded

661
00:26:12,649 --> 00:26:10,500
impossible but he did accomplish those

662
00:26:15,529 --> 00:26:12,659
things like if it wasn't for her his

663
00:26:17,870 --> 00:26:15,539
kind of overblown ambition and his just

664
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,880
like it's almost like he doesn't connect

665
00:26:20,990 --> 00:26:19,679
with the reality of the situation and so

666
00:26:22,850 --> 00:26:21,000
the reality of the situation does not

667
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,860
impact him like he's just it's like the

668
00:26:26,570 --> 00:26:24,480
cheat code for life is you just have to

669
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,580
believe in yourself like Tom DeLonge

670
00:26:31,730 --> 00:26:28,559
believes in himself I don't know if I'll

671
00:26:33,169 --> 00:26:31,740
ever get there but I do admire it yeah I

672
00:26:35,690 --> 00:26:33,179
don't know if any of us will ever get

673
00:26:38,029 --> 00:26:35,700
there but hey hey um we have him to

674
00:26:39,529 --> 00:26:38,039
thank for a lot of things um so yeah I

675
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:39,539
mean those episodes were really

676
00:26:45,769 --> 00:26:42,960
interesting it was great to hear uh to

677
00:26:47,570 --> 00:26:45,779
go back and appreciate I think all the

678
00:26:49,070 --> 00:26:47,580
things that they accomplish you know

679
00:26:52,730 --> 00:26:49,080
when I first started listening to your

680
00:26:56,450 --> 00:26:52,740
show I was kind of in that that phase of

681
00:26:59,630 --> 00:26:56,460
is Elizondo like a disinformation agent

682
00:27:02,390 --> 00:26:59,640
like was this all a big ruse or a lie

683
00:27:05,090 --> 00:27:02,400
and it was so again refreshing to go

684
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:05,100
back and hear step by step what had

685
00:27:09,950 --> 00:27:08,159
happened and um how it kind of rolled

686
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:09,960
out where we are today literally

687
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:12,000
Congressional hearings literally a new

688
00:27:18,169 --> 00:27:15,360
office opening to investigate UFOs it's

689
00:27:19,970 --> 00:27:18,179
insane I don't even think they thought

690
00:27:21,950 --> 00:27:19,980
it was going to get to this point but

691
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:21,960
that's what happens you put the ball in

692
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:23,279
the air and other people are going to

693
00:27:27,529 --> 00:27:25,200
pick it up and enroll with it and now

694
00:27:29,330 --> 00:27:27,539
we're seeing Congress members getting

695
00:27:31,850 --> 00:27:29,340
involved we're seeing

696
00:27:33,890 --> 00:27:31,860
um you know a lot of people getting

697
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:33,900
involved both in government and in the

698
00:27:38,750 --> 00:27:36,000
civilian worlds as well you look at

699
00:27:41,630 --> 00:27:38,760
someone like Avi Logue too with the

700
00:27:43,549 --> 00:27:41,640
Galileo project once you light that fire

701
00:27:46,130 --> 00:27:43,559
it's going to inspire other people to do

702
00:27:48,049 --> 00:27:46,140
things and again without without

703
00:27:49,970 --> 00:27:48,059
whatever Tom DeLonge did I don't think

704
00:27:51,890 --> 00:27:49,980
we would have what Avi lobe was doing I

705
00:27:53,930 --> 00:27:51,900
don't think we would have these other

706
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:53,940
independent organizations now

707
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:57,600
investigating UFOs it's just it's a what

708
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:00,240
do you call that like a chain effect and

709
00:28:05,870 --> 00:28:03,360
and it's it's awesome I I can't wait to

710
00:28:07,250 --> 00:28:05,880
see where it all goes I'm blabbing let's

711
00:28:09,890 --> 00:28:07,260
let's let's

712
00:28:11,930 --> 00:28:09,900
um talk about the podcast Kelly

713
00:28:14,690 --> 00:28:11,940
um you know you talk about everything

714
00:28:17,690 --> 00:28:14,700
with Tom Delong the Pentagon and then

715
00:28:22,370 --> 00:28:17,700
you move into Prague probably the meat

716
00:28:25,310 --> 00:28:22,380
of the problem and the problem being

717
00:28:27,769 --> 00:28:25,320
nobody knows what the hell UFOs are and

718
00:28:31,970 --> 00:28:27,779
if they say they do that's when I kind

719
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:31,980
of run away because if they think they

720
00:28:36,529 --> 00:28:34,320
know uh they have another thing coming

721
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:36,539
but you pose these really interesting

722
00:28:42,110 --> 00:28:39,360
theories on the podcast in in your your

723
00:28:44,990 --> 00:28:42,120
new book as well of what UFOs could be

724
00:28:46,970 --> 00:28:45,000
and I love if you don't mind would you

725
00:28:48,890 --> 00:28:46,980
maybe break down some of those theories

726
00:28:51,769 --> 00:28:48,900
for us I know there were kind of some

727
00:28:54,529 --> 00:28:51,779
like bullet point ones in there in the

728
00:28:57,169 --> 00:28:54,539
podcast so yeah give it to us what are

729
00:28:59,810 --> 00:28:57,179
or what aren't the UFOs I guess that's

730
00:29:01,789 --> 00:28:59,820
such a big question right right let me

731
00:29:03,169 --> 00:29:01,799
just get this one I'll just sort this

732
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:03,179
out and then we'll be done right yeah

733
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:07,440
get ready yeah well obviously I never I

734
00:29:10,850 --> 00:29:09,120
never rule out that they're that they're

735
00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:10,860
human technology I think that until we

736
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:12,360
have a reason to take something off of

737
00:29:16,010 --> 00:29:13,919
the table we should leave it on and so

738
00:29:19,250 --> 00:29:16,020
that means that probably could some of

739
00:29:21,289 --> 00:29:19,260
them be hidden human technology

740
00:29:22,730 --> 00:29:21,299
sure I think that there's certain things

741
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:22,740
like in the Nimitz incident where you

742
00:29:28,190 --> 00:29:25,919
see something go you know 80 000 feet uh

743
00:29:29,930 --> 00:29:28,200
in under a second and it's observed by

744
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:29,940
multiple people and by multiple Weapons

745
00:29:34,850 --> 00:29:32,399
Systems you know suddenly some of those

746
00:29:38,570 --> 00:29:34,860
it's very hard to say oh that's hidden

747
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:38,580
human uh that's hidden human technology

748
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,559
so but I think it's important to keep it

749
00:29:43,549 --> 00:29:42,240
on the table it's also very boring so I

750
00:29:44,810 --> 00:29:43,559
like to move on

751
00:29:46,370 --> 00:29:44,820
um

752
00:29:47,630 --> 00:29:46,380
I'm bored of black budget projects

753
00:29:49,370 --> 00:29:47,640
that's lame

754
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:49,380
um I think that so there's a lot of

755
00:29:53,930 --> 00:29:51,120
other things that it could be one is

756
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:53,940
that obviously it could be aliens and I

757
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,919
don't think that's crazy we go through I

758
00:29:59,630 --> 00:29:57,600
go through in the podcast all kinds of

759
00:30:01,970 --> 00:29:59,640
different you know thought experiments

760
00:30:03,529 --> 00:30:01,980
you know from the Fermi Paradox to you

761
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,539
know all sorts of different things about

762
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:05,760
how that might be happening or or where

763
00:30:08,690 --> 00:30:07,200
they might be coming from or what that

764
00:30:09,889 --> 00:30:08,700
much or what that might be like for us

765
00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:09,899
and I wouldn't rule out the ET

766
00:30:14,810 --> 00:30:12,779
hypothesis either I will say the thing

767
00:30:16,970 --> 00:30:14,820
that makes me most suspicious of the

768
00:30:18,289 --> 00:30:16,980
Extraterrestrial hypothesis is it is

769
00:30:21,169 --> 00:30:18,299
that it's the one that's crammed down

770
00:30:23,090 --> 00:30:21,179
our throats is that that is the one that

771
00:30:24,649 --> 00:30:23,100
every single movie and television show

772
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:24,659
and you know everything that we see in

773
00:30:28,669 --> 00:30:26,640
the in the media

774
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:28,679
um is basically suggesting that it's

775
00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:30,720
aliens and so that is something that

776
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:32,340
makes me a little bit suspicious of it

777
00:30:36,409 --> 00:30:34,799
because we know that the government has

778
00:30:38,570 --> 00:30:36,419
engaged in some very significant

779
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:38,580
misinformation around this topic and so

780
00:30:42,289 --> 00:30:39,600
it's

781
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,299
it just feels a little suspicious to me

782
00:30:46,970 --> 00:30:44,399
but you know it is still very much in

783
00:30:48,529 --> 00:30:46,980
play and very much on the table

784
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:48,539
um from there you kind of move into the

785
00:30:52,850 --> 00:30:50,880
weirder stuff so there's the future

786
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:52,860
human hypothesis that they could be

787
00:30:56,510 --> 00:30:55,440
coming from the future I actually also

788
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:56,520
like to remind people that they could be

789
00:31:00,769 --> 00:30:58,799
coming from the past as well we actually

790
00:31:02,990 --> 00:31:00,779
don't know for sure that time travel

791
00:31:04,730 --> 00:31:03,000
into the past is possible and there's

792
00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:04,740
some reasons it's it's theoretical some

793
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:07,260
people eat cans people think you can't

794
00:31:13,970 --> 00:31:09,840
um the second law of Thermodynamics may

795
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:13,980
keep us from moving backwards in time

796
00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:16,080
um but we do know a way to move forward

797
00:31:20,269 --> 00:31:18,120
in time which is basically with a theory

798
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:20,279
of relativity through time dilation so

799
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:22,799
if you you know Interstellar style if

800
00:31:26,330 --> 00:31:24,720
you go really fast or if you like

801
00:31:27,769 --> 00:31:26,340
slingshot around a black hole or

802
00:31:30,350 --> 00:31:27,779
something like that that you know where

803
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:30,360
it messes with time you can ex you can

804
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:32,880
move into the future where like only a

805
00:31:35,570 --> 00:31:34,080
few minutes has passed for you but like

806
00:31:37,549 --> 00:31:35,580
years have passed on Earth that sort of

807
00:31:39,049 --> 00:31:37,559
thing so I like to remind people they

808
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:39,059
could if they are Time Travelers people

809
00:31:42,289 --> 00:31:40,559
always say from the future but I

810
00:31:43,130 --> 00:31:42,299
wouldn't it actually in some ways would

811
00:31:45,230 --> 00:31:43,140
make more sense that they were coming

812
00:31:48,049 --> 00:31:45,240
from the past which is a little bit of a

813
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:48,059
little bit mind-blowing go ahead this is

814
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:49,679
my favorite Theory by the way that's

815
00:31:55,070 --> 00:31:52,559
when you said when as soon as you said

816
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:55,080
us from the future I got super excited I

817
00:32:00,409 --> 00:31:57,360
was like oh yes yes let's go there I I

818
00:32:02,450 --> 00:32:00,419
want to talk about this um yeah and I

819
00:32:05,210 --> 00:32:02,460
know on the podcast you did some

820
00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:05,220
research into the work of um Dr uh

821
00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:07,260
Michael Masters I believe it was yeah

822
00:32:13,130 --> 00:32:10,980
absolutely extra tempestrial model I

823
00:32:14,990 --> 00:32:13,140
think is what he calls it um yes yeah

824
00:32:17,630 --> 00:32:15,000
would you mind maybe breaking that down

825
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:17,640
a little bit for us because I I have

826
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:19,440
heard there's so many cases where people

827
00:32:24,830 --> 00:32:20,960
have said they've

828
00:32:28,430 --> 00:32:24,840
come into contact with beings from these

829
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:28,440
said UFOs and they said yeah where are

830
00:32:32,210 --> 00:32:30,240
you from the future coming back to warn

831
00:32:35,149 --> 00:32:32,220
you of something we've been hearing this

832
00:32:36,889 --> 00:32:35,159
since the 60s the 70s so right yeah what

833
00:32:39,169 --> 00:32:36,899
do you make of this whole idea of us

834
00:32:41,330 --> 00:32:39,179
from the future or past I guess yeah I

835
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:41,340
mean I find it really interesting one it

836
00:32:45,230 --> 00:32:42,960
one thing that I find really interesting

837
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:45,240
about time the time travel stuff and

838
00:32:49,310 --> 00:32:46,799
also with any kind of inter-dimensional

839
00:32:51,529 --> 00:32:49,320
theory is that here's the thing if time

840
00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:51,539
if humans ever

841
00:32:56,210 --> 00:32:54,360
crack time travel they're coming here

842
00:32:57,889 --> 00:32:56,220
now that's the weird thing about how

843
00:32:59,570 --> 00:32:57,899
time travel works is that if any point

844
00:33:01,070 --> 00:32:59,580
in the future we ever crack it the

845
00:33:05,090 --> 00:33:01,080
chances of them coming here right now

846
00:33:07,070 --> 00:33:05,100
are almost 100 right so if it's possible

847
00:33:07,970 --> 00:33:07,080
it's happening it's one of those kinds

848
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:07,980
of things

849
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,799
so I find so to me I think that that's

850
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,720
one of the more compelling arguments I

851
00:33:16,730 --> 00:33:14,399
also think what's really interesting

852
00:33:19,389 --> 00:33:16,740
about it is that you don't with future

853
00:33:21,769 --> 00:33:19,399
humans you're not introducing anything

854
00:33:23,389 --> 00:33:21,779
time travel is really the only thing

855
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:23,399
that you're introducing and we still

856
00:33:28,610 --> 00:33:25,200
have some theoretical models for that

857
00:33:30,529 --> 00:33:28,620
but you're not you're not uh creating a

858
00:33:32,690 --> 00:33:30,539
whole new paradigm of reality or

859
00:33:35,810 --> 00:33:32,700
introducing beings of which we have no

860
00:33:37,789 --> 00:33:35,820
conception or or direct proof right we

861
00:33:39,470 --> 00:33:37,799
know humans exist we're already right

862
00:33:41,210 --> 00:33:39,480
here we have theories for how this could

863
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:41,220
be happening and so in some ways it's

864
00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:42,720
sort of almost like an Occam's razor

865
00:33:46,669 --> 00:33:45,480
situation where it's kind of it's in

866
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:46,679
some ways you could really make the

867
00:33:51,409 --> 00:33:47,840
argument that the future human

868
00:33:53,149 --> 00:33:51,419
hypothesis is the simplest and most

869
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,159
kind of intuitive

870
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:55,200
answer but I think there's other

871
00:34:02,269 --> 00:33:58,080
evidence as well that I find very

872
00:34:04,730 --> 00:34:02,279
compelling one thing is that uh

873
00:34:06,649 --> 00:34:04,740
the nature of the UFO phenomenon changes

874
00:34:10,970 --> 00:34:06,659
over time in terms of How It's observed

875
00:34:14,750 --> 00:34:10,980
and we tend to think of UFOs within like

876
00:34:16,730 --> 00:34:14,760
the more modern and current Paradigm

877
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:16,740
um but you know there is a whole flap of

878
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:19,679
airships back in the 1800s in the United

879
00:34:24,589 --> 00:34:23,280
States where uh people and you could

880
00:34:26,089 --> 00:34:24,599
actually see it because it would be in

881
00:34:28,250 --> 00:34:26,099
like one newspaper one day and then

882
00:34:29,810 --> 00:34:28,260
you'd see it on like an uh another town

883
00:34:31,550 --> 00:34:29,820
in a newspaper a few hundred miles away

884
00:34:34,070 --> 00:34:31,560
and another like that you could see this

885
00:34:36,169 --> 00:34:34,080
like wave moving across the country and

886
00:34:39,230 --> 00:34:36,179
it was being reported that there were

887
00:34:42,770 --> 00:34:39,240
these like very well spoken well-dressed

888
00:34:45,530 --> 00:34:42,780
but human people who were Landing these

889
00:34:48,829 --> 00:34:45,540
sort of like weird Jules verney kind of

890
00:34:51,710 --> 00:34:48,839
elaborate airships in in towns and

891
00:34:54,109 --> 00:34:51,720
villages in the American West and just

892
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,119
hopping off and introducing themselves

893
00:34:58,270 --> 00:34:56,399
taking people for rides talking to them

894
00:35:01,310 --> 00:34:58,280
and then like leaving and being like bye

895
00:35:02,690 --> 00:35:01,320
and and these stories were all over the

896
00:35:04,609 --> 00:35:02,700
place and what I find interesting about

897
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:04,619
that is that those sorts of airships and

898
00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:06,240
dirigibles and that sort of thing didn't

899
00:35:10,370 --> 00:35:08,520
exist at the time but they had been

900
00:35:14,030 --> 00:35:10,380
conceived of they were kind of the next

901
00:35:16,370 --> 00:35:14,040
thing that was on the horizon and so

902
00:35:18,890 --> 00:35:16,380
you know I it makes you wonder about

903
00:35:20,569 --> 00:35:18,900
about the time travel nature of it and

904
00:35:24,050 --> 00:35:20,579
the time you know how those things might

905
00:35:24,650 --> 00:35:24,060
be how those things might be related

906
00:35:26,690 --> 00:35:24,660
um

907
00:35:28,609 --> 00:35:26,700
you know and if it's not time travel

908
00:35:31,250 --> 00:35:28,619
maybe there's a set of people who have

909
00:35:33,530 --> 00:35:31,260
access to the Futures information from

910
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:33,540
the future or something like that it's I

911
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:35,280
I think it's a really interesting a

912
00:35:41,089 --> 00:35:37,200
really interesting perspective

913
00:35:43,970 --> 00:35:41,099
yeah and you know I remember speaking to

914
00:35:46,849 --> 00:35:43,980
a history professor at Penn State who

915
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:46,859
has been looking at the UFO topic for a

916
00:35:50,270 --> 00:35:49,440
while from a historical perspective and

917
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:50,280
I

918
00:35:56,690 --> 00:35:54,480
vividly recall him saying UFOs are the

919
00:35:59,150 --> 00:35:56,700
ambition of what we could be what we

920
00:36:01,130 --> 00:35:59,160
aspire to be and I that always stuck

921
00:36:04,250 --> 00:36:01,140
with me because you're right you know

922
00:36:06,589 --> 00:36:04,260
airships in the 1800s or you know

923
00:36:09,770 --> 00:36:06,599
saucers in the 50s so you've got these

924
00:36:12,050 --> 00:36:09,780
triangles in the 80s and the 90s and it

925
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,060
always seems to be something that's just

926
00:36:16,609 --> 00:36:14,160
out of grasp of what our current

927
00:36:20,329 --> 00:36:16,619
technology is so of course we're going

928
00:36:24,050 --> 00:36:20,339
to look at it as alien or um non-human

929
00:36:26,210 --> 00:36:24,060
uh when in reality maybe it is just you

930
00:36:27,770 --> 00:36:26,220
know future Tech of humans and they're

931
00:36:29,930 --> 00:36:27,780
giving us a little glimpse of what we

932
00:36:32,089 --> 00:36:29,940
could be and maybe trying to push us

933
00:36:34,130 --> 00:36:32,099
along I don't know I don't know it is

934
00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:34,140
fascinating though that you kind of see

935
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:36,900
these distinct waves happen throughout

936
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,320
the Decades of the airships the saucers

937
00:36:46,130 --> 00:36:42,480
triangles now we're seeing all these

938
00:36:49,069 --> 00:36:46,140
weird light phenomena and orbs and

939
00:36:51,290 --> 00:36:49,079
things like that or things coming in and

940
00:36:53,210 --> 00:36:51,300
out of our Waters so which seems to be

941
00:36:55,370 --> 00:36:53,220
pretty popular right now so now

942
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,380
everyone's kind of looking below the

943
00:36:59,630 --> 00:36:57,359
surface of our own Planet instead of up

944
00:37:03,069 --> 00:36:59,640
in space so I don't know I don't know

945
00:37:06,530 --> 00:37:03,079
what to make of all of it I do you

946
00:37:08,810 --> 00:37:06,540
I don't I and I love that you know I I

947
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:08,820
love not knowing um not that I would

948
00:37:13,069 --> 00:37:10,800
love to know I would love to know

949
00:37:15,890 --> 00:37:13,079
um but I think what's really interesting

950
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:15,900
in all of it is that like I'm doing my

951
00:37:19,730 --> 00:37:17,520
next episode is going to be about the

952
00:37:22,609 --> 00:37:19,740
occult origins of the Space Program in

953
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:22,619
the U.S in Germany and in the Soviet

954
00:37:28,849 --> 00:37:25,440
Union and also how those influences sort

955
00:37:30,829 --> 00:37:28,859
of continue through through this day

956
00:37:33,290 --> 00:37:30,839
um and

957
00:37:37,069 --> 00:37:33,300
I I think that what's really interesting

958
00:37:39,650 --> 00:37:37,079
is how is how UFOs and the Occult and

959
00:37:42,650 --> 00:37:39,660
just we strangeness right is really

960
00:37:44,810 --> 00:37:42,660
associated with progress and with our

961
00:37:47,810 --> 00:37:44,820
you know us taking that next step and so

962
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:47,820
it it does suggest that potentially

963
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:49,440
whatever intelligence is behind the

964
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:52,800
phenomenon is in some way invested in

965
00:37:57,530 --> 00:37:55,920
our development and in our Evolution for

966
00:37:59,630 --> 00:37:57,540
better for worse it's hard for us to

967
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:59,640
know right but but there's an investment

968
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:01,200
and you know Going Back to the Future

969
00:38:04,970 --> 00:38:03,599
human hypothesis who would be more

970
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:04,980
interested in our own development than

971
00:38:13,250 --> 00:38:09,680
us right so it does I do find this this

972
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:13,260
uh kind of intersection of UFOs and the

973
00:38:18,050 --> 00:38:16,079
Occult and technological development uh

974
00:38:19,609 --> 00:38:18,060
to be extraordinarily interesting and I

975
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:19,619
think that there's I think that there's

976
00:38:25,310 --> 00:38:22,560
a lot of gold to be mined there

977
00:38:27,770 --> 00:38:25,320
hmm interesting I can't wait to hear

978
00:38:29,870 --> 00:38:27,780
that yeah we had Mitch Horowitz on the

979
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:29,880
show a couple weeks ago now talking all

980
00:38:34,910 --> 00:38:32,640
about UFOs in the occult and kind of the

981
00:38:37,370 --> 00:38:34,920
convergence of the two in today's modern

982
00:38:40,609 --> 00:38:37,380
world and I do believe there's something

983
00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:40,619
to it I mean you you even go back to um

984
00:38:46,910 --> 00:38:44,040
uh you know the days of like Aleister

985
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:46,920
Crowley and yeah the dudes trying to

986
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:47,760
like

987
00:38:55,250 --> 00:38:51,359
summon spirits and what does he do he

988
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:55,260
ends up like summoning a alien instead

989
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:57,839
so you're like what is going on here

990
00:39:01,490 --> 00:38:59,760
there there's definitely some sort of

991
00:39:04,250 --> 00:39:01,500
connection but I think you're right yeah

992
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:04,260
the occult literally just in we give it

993
00:39:10,190 --> 00:39:06,240
so many bad connotations when in reality

994
00:39:12,890 --> 00:39:10,200
all it is is you know not what we know

995
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:12,900
not normal it's it's there for

996
00:39:18,349 --> 00:39:15,599
progressing our our entire state of mind

997
00:39:20,690 --> 00:39:18,359
and rebel against everything we've sort

998
00:39:22,609 --> 00:39:20,700
of been conditioned to believe and I

999
00:39:25,010 --> 00:39:22,619
think that's what UFOs have always been

1000
00:39:27,890 --> 00:39:25,020
they're they're the punk rock of like

1001
00:39:30,530 --> 00:39:27,900
the unknown whether it's Cryptids or

1002
00:39:32,510 --> 00:39:30,540
ghosts I yeah that's why I've always

1003
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:32,520
loved UFOs they rebel against everything

1004
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:35,280
you think they are or the minute you

1005
00:39:38,569 --> 00:39:36,720
think you have an answer to what they

1006
00:39:40,910 --> 00:39:38,579
are they just kind of punch you in the

1007
00:39:43,609 --> 00:39:40,920
face and say yeah nice try like I'm

1008
00:39:45,230 --> 00:39:43,619
going over to this Mosh Pit now so I

1009
00:39:46,430 --> 00:39:45,240
don't know I don't know I I it's

1010
00:39:49,310 --> 00:39:46,440
fascinating

1011
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:49,320
um well okay so we have these different

1012
00:39:55,250 --> 00:39:52,320
theories on what UFOs are or aren't

1013
00:39:57,290 --> 00:39:55,260
um interdimensional and Ultra

1014
00:39:59,630 --> 00:39:57,300
terrestrial is another one you tackled

1015
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:59,640
and you did touch on that a little bit

1016
00:40:03,890 --> 00:40:01,440
but I I was wondering if you could

1017
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:03,900
expand upon that because for me whenever

1018
00:40:09,290 --> 00:40:06,240
I hear interdimensional or Ultra

1019
00:40:11,870 --> 00:40:09,300
terrestrial uh it's not that I tune it

1020
00:40:15,970 --> 00:40:11,880
out but my mind just can't wrap around

1021
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:15,980
what that actually means you know like

1022
00:40:22,609 --> 00:40:18,480
Elizondo and these other people saying

1023
00:40:25,069 --> 00:40:22,619
yeah like what if UFOs or the

1024
00:40:27,890 --> 00:40:25,079
intelligence behind them was right next

1025
00:40:29,569 --> 00:40:27,900
to you and you never even knew it and

1026
00:40:30,829 --> 00:40:29,579
that just that always gives me chills

1027
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:30,839
thinking about that because I don't

1028
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:32,640
quite know what they mean I don't even

1029
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:35,040
think they know what they they mean but

1030
00:40:38,810 --> 00:40:36,480
it's a theory

1031
00:40:42,050 --> 00:40:38,820
um so what is this idea of UFOs could be

1032
00:40:44,510 --> 00:40:42,060
inter-dimensional and Ultra I mean yeah

1033
00:40:47,150 --> 00:40:44,520
I mean listen it breaks my brain too I I

1034
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:47,160
struggle with it I think a lot of the

1035
00:40:53,210 --> 00:40:49,920
issue is that what we don't have is sort

1036
00:40:55,130 --> 00:40:53,220
of a consensus on what a a different

1037
00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:55,140
dimension even is right there's a lot of

1038
00:40:59,810 --> 00:40:56,940
different models we can't prove that

1039
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,820
other dimensions exist but we do have a

1040
00:41:03,650 --> 00:41:01,440
few different branches of science and

1041
00:41:06,829 --> 00:41:03,660
like you know Quantum Computing and that

1042
00:41:09,770 --> 00:41:06,839
sort of thing that definitely

1043
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:09,780
um require the assumption that there are

1044
00:41:13,790 --> 00:41:11,760
other dimensions so we have but we have

1045
00:41:15,050 --> 00:41:13,800
like indirect evidence at best but

1046
00:41:16,430 --> 00:41:15,060
there's but even there there's like

1047
00:41:17,569 --> 00:41:16,440
different models like with string theory

1048
00:41:19,130 --> 00:41:17,579
I think there's like exactly 11

1049
00:41:20,810 --> 00:41:19,140
Dimensions right and they're and they

1050
00:41:22,190 --> 00:41:20,820
kind of fold in on each other so like

1051
00:41:23,390 --> 00:41:22,200
the third dimension exists within the

1052
00:41:25,130 --> 00:41:23,400
fourth dimension and the fourth

1053
00:41:26,690 --> 00:41:25,140
dimension exists within the Fifth

1054
00:41:29,150 --> 00:41:26,700
Dimension you know and I have a hard

1055
00:41:31,490 --> 00:41:29,160
enough time Imagining the The Fifth

1056
00:41:33,770 --> 00:41:31,500
Dimension that the fourth dimension

1057
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:33,780
would reside but then I can't get to 11.

1058
00:41:38,690 --> 00:41:35,760
I just I can't

1059
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:38,700
um you know there's also the uh many

1060
00:41:42,530 --> 00:41:40,800
worlds Theory so that really has to do

1061
00:41:44,210 --> 00:41:42,540
kind of with an interpretation of

1062
00:41:47,329 --> 00:41:44,220
quantum mechanics and the Double Split

1063
00:41:50,030 --> 00:41:47,339
ex the double slit experiment

1064
00:41:52,130 --> 00:41:50,040
um basically the idea is that they

1065
00:41:54,349 --> 00:41:52,140
explain the weirdness of the double slit

1066
00:41:56,329 --> 00:41:54,359
experiment by saying that everything

1067
00:41:58,130 --> 00:41:56,339
that can happen does happen and so

1068
00:42:01,310 --> 00:41:58,140
basically there's an entire universe

1069
00:42:03,290 --> 00:42:01,320
constructed around every decision not

1070
00:42:06,349 --> 00:42:03,300
just every decision but like every every

1071
00:42:09,370 --> 00:42:06,359
Quantum system whether it's

1072
00:42:13,970 --> 00:42:09,380
um a cup of tea that you're steeping or

1073
00:42:16,609 --> 00:42:13,980
uh a planetary system or a virus or you

1074
00:42:18,170 --> 00:42:16,619
know any of these or a person around

1075
00:42:20,210 --> 00:42:18,180
each one of these things all the things

1076
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:20,220
that they could ever be or do there is

1077
00:42:25,790 --> 00:42:22,079
an entire universe constructed around

1078
00:42:28,010 --> 00:42:25,800
each one of those things and I that's

1079
00:42:29,089 --> 00:42:28,020
too big for me I can't uh it could be

1080
00:42:30,890 --> 00:42:29,099
true

1081
00:42:33,410 --> 00:42:30,900
but what do you do with that and it also

1082
00:42:34,849 --> 00:42:33,420
kind of it it it brings up some

1083
00:42:37,069 --> 00:42:34,859
interesting questions about free will

1084
00:42:39,050 --> 00:42:37,079
because if you're going to do everything

1085
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:39,060
that you could possibly do then like

1086
00:42:43,849 --> 00:42:41,359
what meaning does one any individual

1087
00:42:45,050 --> 00:42:43,859
decision make you'll be the best person

1088
00:42:46,370 --> 00:42:45,060
you can be and you'll be the worst

1089
00:42:47,390 --> 00:42:46,380
person you can be and none of it will

1090
00:42:49,970 --> 00:42:47,400
really have to do with your decision

1091
00:42:51,170 --> 00:42:49,980
making all of those will exist and so I

1092
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:51,180
think there's something about that that

1093
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:52,800
I kind of like naturally rebel against

1094
00:42:58,190 --> 00:42:56,160
but it could it could technically be

1095
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:58,200
true and then there's just sort of like

1096
00:43:02,270 --> 00:42:59,599
a more

1097
00:43:03,710 --> 00:43:02,280
nondescript kind of interdimensional

1098
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:03,720
idea like we were talking about where

1099
00:43:07,309 --> 00:43:05,280
there could be

1100
00:43:09,170 --> 00:43:07,319
you know what if there are multiple

1101
00:43:10,730 --> 00:43:09,180
civilizations living on the earth at the

1102
00:43:13,370 --> 00:43:10,740
same time but we're all just sort of

1103
00:43:14,030 --> 00:43:13,380
like vibing on a different frequency

1104
00:43:16,250 --> 00:43:14,040
um

1105
00:43:17,809 --> 00:43:16,260
who knows and so that's a that's a weird

1106
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:17,819
one and that's where it sort of starts

1107
00:43:22,670 --> 00:43:19,920
to overlap with the ultra terrestrial

1108
00:43:24,890 --> 00:43:22,680
it's just the idea of okay so if they

1109
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:24,900
are from here if we consider the

1110
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:27,119
possibility that there is an a an

1111
00:43:31,490 --> 00:43:28,800
advanced intelligence on this Earth

1112
00:43:33,650 --> 00:43:31,500
where the heck are they and why aren't

1113
00:43:34,670 --> 00:43:33,660
we aware of them or at least more aware

1114
00:43:35,930 --> 00:43:34,680
of them

1115
00:43:39,050 --> 00:43:35,940
um and that could be everything from a

1116
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:39,060
breakaway civilization to you know some

1117
00:43:42,770 --> 00:43:41,280
sort of uh you know an interdimensional

1118
00:43:44,510 --> 00:43:42,780
being that shares like they're in this

1119
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:44,520
space but not really in like there are

1120
00:43:50,329 --> 00:43:47,040
certain circumstances in which there's

1121
00:43:52,670 --> 00:43:50,339
sort of bleeding through

1122
00:43:53,930 --> 00:43:52,680
um you know or it could be that they

1123
00:43:55,130 --> 00:43:53,940
live underground I mean I don't know you

1124
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:55,140
can go crazy at this point I'm

1125
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:56,640
personally still rooting for mermaids

1126
00:44:02,750 --> 00:43:59,119
gotta tell you

1127
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:02,760
hey it's just as viable as any other in

1128
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:05,280
honestly yeah

1129
00:44:10,970 --> 00:44:08,160
um yeah oh so many so many roads they

1130
00:44:12,589 --> 00:44:10,980
could go down with that um I do want to

1131
00:44:14,050 --> 00:44:12,599
touch on probably one of the most

1132
00:44:17,150 --> 00:44:14,060
controversial

1133
00:44:20,270 --> 00:44:17,160
aspects of the podcasts that you covered

1134
00:44:23,210 --> 00:44:20,280
and um and controversial

1135
00:44:26,809 --> 00:44:23,220
television shows out there and that is

1136
00:44:28,430 --> 00:44:26,819
the show everyone knows what it is even

1137
00:44:31,309 --> 00:44:28,440
if they're not into UFOs and that's

1138
00:44:34,450 --> 00:44:31,319
Ancient Aliens a show that I'm actually

1139
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:34,460
on quite frequently and will be on again

1140
00:44:41,930 --> 00:44:38,160
and I know I the pitchforks are out for

1141
00:44:45,470 --> 00:44:41,940
me and I completely understand it

1142
00:44:48,530 --> 00:44:45,480
um it was a very hard decision for me to

1143
00:44:50,569 --> 00:44:48,540
uh to agree to do that

1144
00:44:52,730 --> 00:44:50,579
um I had my stipulations I would not

1145
00:44:54,349 --> 00:44:52,740
talk about ancient alien Theory I would

1146
00:44:57,410 --> 00:44:54,359
talk about what's going on in the UFO

1147
00:44:59,210 --> 00:44:57,420
world today uh because I have no basis

1148
00:45:00,770 --> 00:44:59,220
for ancient alien Theory I haven't done

1149
00:45:03,470 --> 00:45:00,780
the research

1150
00:45:05,390 --> 00:45:03,480
um I I would find it irresponsible to

1151
00:45:06,890 --> 00:45:05,400
even go on television and talk about

1152
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:06,900
those things

1153
00:45:12,170 --> 00:45:08,880
um but a lot of people do and a lot of

1154
00:45:14,270 --> 00:45:12,180
people do ascribe to these theories and

1155
00:45:17,150 --> 00:45:14,280
uh you tackle this topic of Ancient

1156
00:45:19,849 --> 00:45:17,160
Aliens in the podcast and in your book

1157
00:45:21,530 --> 00:45:19,859
um so what do you think what what was

1158
00:45:23,390 --> 00:45:21,540
your take take on the whole ancient

1159
00:45:25,849 --> 00:45:23,400
alien Theory and why did you decide to

1160
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:25,859
uh dedicate some of the time in the

1161
00:45:29,930 --> 00:45:28,319
podcast to it yeah so

1162
00:45:31,609 --> 00:45:29,940
a couple reasons one is that number one

1163
00:45:33,770 --> 00:45:31,619
I'm like the

1164
00:45:37,370 --> 00:45:33,780
ophthalmologist and I will not won't

1165
00:45:40,670 --> 00:45:37,380
apologize for it like I I like Ancient

1166
00:45:43,309 --> 00:45:40,680
Aliens and I don't I understand

1167
00:45:45,170 --> 00:45:43,319
it's not that I'm I'm unaware of or

1168
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:45,180
don't understand the criticisms and I

1169
00:45:49,069 --> 00:45:47,040
think that in a lot of ways I agree with

1170
00:45:51,410 --> 00:45:49,079
the criticisms I just take a slightly

1171
00:45:53,569 --> 00:45:51,420
more nuanced view number one Ancient

1172
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:53,579
Aliens has been on now for like forever

1173
00:45:59,470 --> 00:45:56,160
right at least over 10 years I think so

1174
00:46:03,050 --> 00:45:59,480
18 Seasons yeah

1175
00:46:04,609 --> 00:46:03,060
right here that's insane so in some ways

1176
00:46:06,589 --> 00:46:04,619
you have to look at it as a product of

1177
00:46:08,569 --> 00:46:06,599
the time right this is not a product of

1178
00:46:11,329 --> 00:46:08,579
the world that's been created since 2017

1179
00:46:13,010 --> 00:46:11,339
this is a product of a time before so if

1180
00:46:14,930 --> 00:46:13,020
you're going to get anything like this

1181
00:46:16,670 --> 00:46:14,940
on television there almost has to be

1182
00:46:18,349 --> 00:46:16,680
this kind of like absurdist angle to it

1183
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:18,359
or else they're not if you take it too

1184
00:46:21,950 --> 00:46:19,920
too seriously they're not going to put

1185
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:21,960
it on television and so I think being

1186
00:46:25,550 --> 00:46:23,520
someone who's worked in the media and

1187
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:25,560
with the media for my entire career it

1188
00:46:29,690 --> 00:46:28,079
just makes the I just look I think I

1189
00:46:32,329 --> 00:46:29,700
just look at Ancient Aliens with like a

1190
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:32,339
slightly more forgiving eye

1191
00:46:36,109 --> 00:46:33,119
um

1192
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:36,119
I do think that Ancient Aliens goes a

1193
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:37,440
little too far and that they make

1194
00:46:39,770 --> 00:46:38,640
connections that aren't necessarily

1195
00:46:41,630 --> 00:46:39,780
there and they kind of you know

1196
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:41,640
pigeonhole things to make the story and

1197
00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:43,440
you know it's it is what it is we know

1198
00:46:47,930 --> 00:46:45,240
what Ancient Aliens is but it does

1199
00:46:50,210 --> 00:46:47,940
expose people and for me it exposed me

1200
00:46:52,190 --> 00:46:50,220
to ideas that I hadn't been exposed to

1201
00:46:53,569 --> 00:46:52,200
before and some some of them I

1202
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:53,579
investigated and I was like well that is

1203
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:54,720
complete crap and I can't believe they

1204
00:46:57,950 --> 00:46:56,160
put this on television and some of it I

1205
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:57,960
investigated and was like holy there's

1206
00:47:02,930 --> 00:47:00,480
really something here and to me what it

1207
00:47:03,470 --> 00:47:02,940
opened up was

1208
00:47:08,290 --> 00:47:03,480
um

1209
00:47:10,190 --> 00:47:08,300
that there truly are anomalous

1210
00:47:11,930 --> 00:47:10,200
archaeological sites around the world

1211
00:47:14,809 --> 00:47:11,940
that are not being reckoned with fully

1212
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:14,819
by mainstream archeology and so the

1213
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:16,800
whole first episode that I did about

1214
00:47:21,890 --> 00:47:19,440
this I really dove into that into it's

1215
00:47:24,170 --> 00:47:21,900
about archeology and epistemology it's

1216
00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:24,180
about how archeology Works what we know

1217
00:47:28,970 --> 00:47:26,520
for sure in archeology and what we don't

1218
00:47:30,349 --> 00:47:28,980
and so I think that people go into a lot

1219
00:47:31,690 --> 00:47:30,359
of this with this idea that like we're

1220
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:31,700
questioning some sort of like

1221
00:47:35,450 --> 00:47:34,079
established science and it's it's not

1222
00:47:37,309 --> 00:47:35,460
established science it's like an

1223
00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:37,319
interpretation of these sites that could

1224
00:47:42,170 --> 00:47:40,200
change given a shifting understanding of

1225
00:47:44,930 --> 00:47:42,180
human history which is Shifting all the

1226
00:47:47,809 --> 00:47:44,940
time just in the last 10 years we the

1227
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:47,819
history of Humanity on this planet has

1228
00:47:52,010 --> 00:47:49,920
gone from a hundred thousand years to

1229
00:47:53,930 --> 00:47:52,020
over 300 000 Years and we're only one

1230
00:47:55,490 --> 00:47:53,940
Discovery away from finding out that

1231
00:47:57,470 --> 00:47:55,500
humans or could potentially have been

1232
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:57,480
around for even longer than that and so

1233
00:48:00,650 --> 00:47:58,560
we're always interpreting these

1234
00:48:02,030 --> 00:48:00,660
archaeological sites in the context of

1235
00:48:03,950 --> 00:48:02,040
what we know at the time and I think it

1236
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:03,960
just takes a little while sometimes for

1237
00:48:08,270 --> 00:48:06,240
things to catch up because in particular

1238
00:48:10,970 --> 00:48:08,280
in 1990 there was the discovery of

1239
00:48:12,589 --> 00:48:10,980
Gobekli Tepe in turkey and to me that's

1240
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:12,599
the linchpin like that is the place

1241
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:15,359
because what Beckley Tepe tells us is it

1242
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:18,240
was built this phenomenal

1243
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:20,400
um archaeological site in turkey that

1244
00:48:25,010 --> 00:48:23,040
shows clear understanding of things like

1245
00:48:26,990 --> 00:48:25,020
descriptive geometry and complex

1246
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:27,000
astronomy and just like art and history

1247
00:48:32,569 --> 00:48:30,240
and just engineering that should not

1248
00:48:34,250 --> 00:48:32,579
have existed at the time this was 6 000

1249
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:34,260
years before this sort of civilization

1250
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:37,200
was supposed to be able to exist and it

1251
00:48:40,490 --> 00:48:38,640
happened right at the end of the last

1252
00:48:42,770 --> 00:48:40,500
ice age and so you have to ask yourself

1253
00:48:45,230 --> 00:48:42,780
during a really tumultuous time on earth

1254
00:48:47,390 --> 00:48:45,240
like that Ice Age where for a thousand

1255
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:47,400
years it just sucked on earth like it

1256
00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:50,160
was a bad place to live 40 of the

1257
00:48:53,690 --> 00:48:52,140
megafauna just like completely died out

1258
00:48:55,550 --> 00:48:53,700
when we saw like you know his population

1259
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:55,560
decline kind of across the board like

1260
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,079
this was not a time to thrive right and

1261
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:00,480
so how did they come out of the last ice

1262
00:49:07,130 --> 00:49:03,119
age with that kind of

1263
00:49:10,430 --> 00:49:07,140
really deep developed knowledge and so

1264
00:49:13,250 --> 00:49:10,440
that to me answer like opens up a big

1265
00:49:14,750 --> 00:49:13,260
question about our history which means

1266
00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:14,760
that now we can start to look at these

1267
00:49:17,450 --> 00:49:15,839
things in a different way and start

1268
00:49:21,050 --> 00:49:17,460
asking new questions I don't think that

1269
00:49:22,970 --> 00:49:21,060
we then go in and say it was aliens you

1270
00:49:25,730 --> 00:49:22,980
know like yeah

1271
00:49:27,890 --> 00:49:25,740
I think an interaction the deeper into

1272
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:27,900
the past that we find evidence of

1273
00:49:32,450 --> 00:49:30,480
advanced civilization the more we have

1274
00:49:34,490 --> 00:49:32,460
to ask the question where did this come

1275
00:49:35,950 --> 00:49:34,500
from and how did it manage to exist when

1276
00:49:40,430 --> 00:49:35,960
everyone else was seemingly

1277
00:49:43,130 --> 00:49:40,440
hunter-gatherers and and in in non-human

1278
00:49:45,050 --> 00:49:43,140
intelligence interfering in some way is

1279
00:49:46,430 --> 00:49:45,060
it just is like a possibility that you

1280
00:49:47,930 --> 00:49:46,440
have to leave on the table I just don't

1281
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:47,940
I don't think it's the only possibility

1282
00:49:53,450 --> 00:49:50,640
but I do I I don't think it's a

1283
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:53,460
ridiculous proposition

1284
00:49:59,210 --> 00:49:56,160
interesting you know my first guest ever

1285
00:50:01,970 --> 00:49:59,220
on the podcast was uh UFO historian

1286
00:50:04,130 --> 00:50:01,980
Richard Dolan and he is kind of known

1287
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:04,140
for coining the term Breakaway

1288
00:50:08,210 --> 00:50:06,720
civilization which I had no idea what

1289
00:50:09,710 --> 00:50:08,220
the hell that meant when he said it on

1290
00:50:12,290 --> 00:50:09,720
the podcast

1291
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:12,300
um and I still have trouble

1292
00:50:16,849 --> 00:50:12,960
um

1293
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:16,859
thinking is that even possible uh do you

1294
00:50:22,190 --> 00:50:19,440
think it's possible that there could be

1295
00:50:25,010 --> 00:50:22,200
Pockets throughout the world throughout

1296
00:50:27,890 --> 00:50:25,020
time that um have sort of broken away

1297
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:27,900
and are developing these highly Advanced

1298
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,960
craft or yeah is this why we're seeing

1299
00:50:35,630 --> 00:50:32,880
them come in and out of the ocean do we

1300
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:35,640
got people down underwater doing stuff

1301
00:50:40,609 --> 00:50:38,640
preparing for something that we hear on

1302
00:50:42,170 --> 00:50:40,619
the surface don't know about I know

1303
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:42,180
that's going a little too far but yeah

1304
00:50:45,950 --> 00:50:43,680
what do you make of this whole Breakaway

1305
00:50:47,809 --> 00:50:45,960
civilization Theory I mean that was an

1306
00:50:49,250 --> 00:50:47,819
idea that I think when I started I found

1307
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:49,260
to be a lot more ridiculous than I do

1308
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:50,400
now

1309
00:50:54,650 --> 00:50:51,839
um I would actually say that this is

1310
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:54,660
probably one of my it shifts all the

1311
00:50:58,849 --> 00:50:56,160
time what is the thing that I think is

1312
00:51:00,349 --> 00:50:58,859
like most likely right but I'd say for a

1313
00:51:02,690 --> 00:51:00,359
while now Breakaway civilization has

1314
00:51:05,329 --> 00:51:02,700
been way up there I think the more that

1315
00:51:08,030 --> 00:51:05,339
you really dive into some of the these

1316
00:51:11,390 --> 00:51:08,040
like anomalous archaeological sites what

1317
00:51:12,650 --> 00:51:11,400
you start to recognize is that

1318
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:12,660
um

1319
00:51:19,490 --> 00:51:17,520
real suddenly when it pops up

1320
00:51:22,130 --> 00:51:19,500
um and it pops up like kind of fully

1321
00:51:24,530 --> 00:51:22,140
formed and like all of these different

1322
00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:24,540
you know Empires and dynasties that

1323
00:51:27,530 --> 00:51:26,280
built megalithic structures all around

1324
00:51:29,870 --> 00:51:27,540
the world the thing that you see over

1325
00:51:31,849 --> 00:51:29,880
and over again that's super weird is

1326
00:51:35,569 --> 00:51:31,859
that the earliest stuff that they build

1327
00:51:37,970 --> 00:51:35,579
is the best stuff right and and why is

1328
00:51:39,890 --> 00:51:37,980
that like why does it it's like they

1329
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:39,900
build their they do the best thing and

1330
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:41,520
then after everything after that is kind

1331
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,200
of just like a copy of a copy of a copy

1332
00:51:47,390 --> 00:51:45,599
until it finally kind of and and the

1333
00:51:49,010 --> 00:51:47,400
other thing we have literally around the

1334
00:51:51,230 --> 00:51:49,020
world and basically every culture on

1335
00:51:54,170 --> 00:51:51,240
every continent is this story of

1336
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:54,180
knowledge and writing and how to use

1337
00:52:01,010 --> 00:51:58,319
fire and like coming from either the

1338
00:52:03,290 --> 00:52:01,020
gods or from some strange visitors or

1339
00:52:06,049 --> 00:52:03,300
from you know they're it's it's always a

1340
00:52:09,470 --> 00:52:06,059
story of someone coming and giving them

1341
00:52:11,630 --> 00:52:09,480
this knowledge and so when we when you

1342
00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:11,640
see that same myth all over the world

1343
00:52:15,770 --> 00:52:13,140
and you see these kind of strange

1344
00:52:18,170 --> 00:52:15,780
patterns it does make you kind of and

1345
00:52:20,450 --> 00:52:18,180
when you especially when you consider as

1346
00:52:22,430 --> 00:52:20,460
I I personally believe that there isn't

1347
00:52:23,870 --> 00:52:22,440
that there is significant other evidence

1348
00:52:25,549 --> 00:52:23,880
to the point that I believe it that

1349
00:52:28,370 --> 00:52:25,559
there were pre-iceage human

1350
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:28,380
civilizations on this planet not like a

1351
00:52:31,730 --> 00:52:30,240
technological Global worldwide Society

1352
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:31,740
but I think that there's evidence that

1353
00:52:36,770 --> 00:52:33,839
there was like Advanced as we would

1354
00:52:39,890 --> 00:52:36,780
consider like dynastic Egypt Advanced

1355
00:52:41,450 --> 00:52:39,900
you know what I mean existing before the

1356
00:52:42,890 --> 00:52:41,460
Ice Age

1357
00:52:44,930 --> 00:52:42,900
um

1358
00:52:47,210 --> 00:52:44,940
if that's the case and then you have

1359
00:52:48,410 --> 00:52:47,220
these stories like it almost feels like

1360
00:52:50,510 --> 00:52:48,420
there's there's something that's

1361
00:52:51,890 --> 00:52:50,520
persisted that's been seated coming for

1362
00:52:53,450 --> 00:52:51,900
you know what I mean like it just seems

1363
00:52:55,790 --> 00:52:53,460
I'm not saying I know for sure that's

1364
00:52:58,130 --> 00:52:55,800
what's happening right but if if if

1365
00:53:00,349 --> 00:52:58,140
those Ice Age civilizations existed

1366
00:53:02,630 --> 00:53:00,359
Could That Could some pocket of humanity

1367
00:53:04,370 --> 00:53:02,640
have persisted and could they having

1368
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:04,380
gone through some major cataclysm

1369
00:53:08,930 --> 00:53:06,000
understand the importance of like

1370
00:53:11,450 --> 00:53:08,940
protecting some like core of human

1371
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:11,460
knowledge and accomplishment you know

1372
00:53:15,950 --> 00:53:13,680
and could they potentially have you you

1373
00:53:17,930 --> 00:53:15,960
know could they still exist yes like I

1374
00:53:20,450 --> 00:53:17,940
think they could and they would be you

1375
00:53:23,329 --> 00:53:20,460
know 10 000 years or more ahead of us 12

1376
00:53:26,089 --> 00:53:23,339
000 years or more ahead of us exactly so

1377
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:26,099
interesting yeah and I I like the point

1378
00:53:34,190 --> 00:53:30,079
you made of we are gradually discovering

1379
00:53:36,589 --> 00:53:34,200
that human civilization existed longer

1380
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:36,599
than we first uh

1381
00:53:42,650 --> 00:53:39,359
thought it did and you know that kind of

1382
00:53:44,890 --> 00:53:42,660
brings us up to uh modern day with

1383
00:53:47,390 --> 00:53:44,900
Graham Hancock you know the the the

1384
00:53:50,030 --> 00:53:47,400
highly controversial television show

1385
00:53:52,490 --> 00:53:50,040
that he just had on on Netflix and a lot

1386
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:52,500
of people were like really upset with a

1387
00:53:55,069 --> 00:53:53,760
lot of the thoughts and theories he

1388
00:53:56,690 --> 00:53:55,079
brought forward

1389
00:53:59,089 --> 00:53:56,700
um While others were like huh there's

1390
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:59,099
there's something to this um and I'd

1391
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:00,720
actually if you don't mind I'd love to

1392
00:54:04,670 --> 00:54:02,640
move to one of my listener questions has

1393
00:54:06,109 --> 00:54:04,680
to do with what we're talking about now

1394
00:54:09,049 --> 00:54:06,119
cool

1395
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:09,059
um let's see here Gareth on Facebook he

1396
00:54:13,010 --> 00:54:11,040
says hi Kelly just finished listening to

1397
00:54:14,990 --> 00:54:13,020
your three-part series on Ancient Aliens

1398
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:15,000
and I just watched Graham Hancock's

1399
00:54:19,370 --> 00:54:17,760
recent series ancient apocalypse

1400
00:54:22,670 --> 00:54:19,380
um and this is interesting he brings up

1401
00:54:24,890 --> 00:54:22,680
Bob Lazar if you buy into any of the

1402
00:54:26,569 --> 00:54:24,900
stuff Bob Lazarus said I know a lot of

1403
00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:26,579
our listeners do not

1404
00:54:31,549 --> 00:54:29,400
um and some do uh he says Bob Lazar has

1405
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:31,559
also stated that one of the crafted S4

1406
00:54:37,549 --> 00:54:34,319
was an archaeological find

1407
00:54:39,710 --> 00:54:37,559
do you think any of these ties any of

1408
00:54:42,049 --> 00:54:39,720
this ties together knowing that evidence

1409
00:54:45,410 --> 00:54:42,059
is pointing to a global catastrophe on

1410
00:54:47,390 --> 00:54:45,420
Earth around 12 000 years ago I do find

1411
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:47,400
that fascinating that balbazar stated

1412
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:49,440
yeah one of the craft we had was an

1413
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:52,079
archaeological find it wasn't like it it

1414
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:55,680
crashed and um in Roswell and we were

1415
00:55:01,130 --> 00:54:57,839
working on it like this was something we

1416
00:55:04,490 --> 00:55:01,140
dug far into the Earth and found uh if

1417
00:55:07,250 --> 00:55:04,500
that is true like man again that that

1418
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:07,260
just changes everything in terms of the

1419
00:55:12,109 --> 00:55:09,359
conversation uh both archaeologically

1420
00:55:15,470 --> 00:55:12,119
historically and I guess ephologically

1421
00:55:18,109 --> 00:55:15,480
so yeah long-winded question but I guess

1422
00:55:20,510 --> 00:55:18,119
Gareth is asking do you think the all

1423
00:55:22,849 --> 00:55:20,520
these things could be connected

1424
00:55:25,130 --> 00:55:22,859
I I do think they all could be connected

1425
00:55:27,230 --> 00:55:25,140
I I don't know where I stand on bubbles

1426
00:55:28,370 --> 00:55:27,240
are people ask me that often actually

1427
00:55:30,170 --> 00:55:28,380
and I

1428
00:55:31,849 --> 00:55:30,180
I think I've gone back and forth on it

1429
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:31,859
so many times that I've just I've I'm

1430
00:55:37,970 --> 00:55:34,559
agnostic on Bob Lazar I'm I'm interested

1431
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:37,980
in what he has to say but I don't assign

1432
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:40,319
any definite truth value to it it seems

1433
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:42,000
something strange is going on there

1434
00:55:46,190 --> 00:55:44,880
right where there's it I just don't feel

1435
00:55:47,329 --> 00:55:46,200
like we have the whole story but that

1436
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:47,339
doesn't mean I necessarily don't believe

1437
00:55:50,750 --> 00:55:48,720
him

1438
00:55:52,790 --> 00:55:50,760
um I

1439
00:55:54,650 --> 00:55:52,800
I would love for that story to be true

1440
00:55:57,049 --> 00:55:54,660
that would be very exciting I do think

1441
00:55:59,890 --> 00:55:57,059
it's possible right like I said I don't

1442
00:56:02,329 --> 00:55:59,900
I'm not sure that I'm not sure that UFOs

1443
00:56:05,930 --> 00:56:02,339
and ancient human civilizations are

1444
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:05,940
connected I think they probably are it

1445
00:56:10,430 --> 00:56:08,400
there's there's a lot of smoke there and

1446
00:56:12,829 --> 00:56:10,440
there's a lot of you know even when you

1447
00:56:14,329 --> 00:56:12,839
look back just the stories that are

1448
00:56:15,950 --> 00:56:14,339
recorded on all these megalithic

1449
00:56:18,290 --> 00:56:15,960
structures of beings that are coming

1450
00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:18,300
from the sky that are in craft that are

1451
00:56:22,010 --> 00:56:19,800
you know these are the same story it's

1452
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:22,020
essentially the same story so I I tend

1453
00:56:24,650 --> 00:56:23,040
to believe that there's a connection

1454
00:56:26,690 --> 00:56:24,660
there

1455
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:26,700
um I don't think that we have found the

1456
00:56:32,809 --> 00:56:30,720
Smoking Gun that that our civilization

1457
00:56:34,849 --> 00:56:32,819
was seated or that there was some sort

1458
00:56:36,109 --> 00:56:34,859
of intervention by a non-human

1459
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:36,119
intelligence we I don't think we have

1460
00:56:41,089 --> 00:56:38,160
that Smoking Gun yet

1461
00:56:43,010 --> 00:56:41,099
um and it may not it may not be it may

1462
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:43,020
not be related you know what I mean it

1463
00:56:46,130 --> 00:56:44,640
may just be another weird thing that we

1464
00:56:48,290 --> 00:56:46,140
didn't know that we didn't realize was

1465
00:56:50,809 --> 00:56:48,300
true and turns out to be true I think

1466
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:50,819
they're my my every instinct tells me

1467
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:52,559
that they are related though

1468
00:56:57,890 --> 00:56:56,160
okay last question on theories uh

1469
00:56:59,690 --> 00:56:57,900
because I've got some closing questions

1470
00:57:01,609 --> 00:56:59,700
and guys if you have any questions for

1471
00:57:03,530 --> 00:57:01,619
Kelly put them in the chat now

1472
00:57:05,690 --> 00:57:03,540
um as we sort sort of start to wrap

1473
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,700
things up Kelly does have a life and

1474
00:57:10,010 --> 00:57:07,680
we'll let her give back to that soon um

1475
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:10,020
so I appreciate your time Kelly

1476
00:57:13,010 --> 00:57:11,040
um of course

1477
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:13,020
Theory wise

1478
00:57:17,089 --> 00:57:13,680
um

1479
00:57:19,010 --> 00:57:17,099
I guess this idea of panspermia you

1480
00:57:19,730 --> 00:57:19,020
mentioned the word seated

1481
00:57:22,430 --> 00:57:19,740
um

1482
00:57:25,250 --> 00:57:22,440
are we the aliens on our own planet is

1483
00:57:28,190 --> 00:57:25,260
that something you you would uh

1484
00:57:30,349 --> 00:57:28,200
entertain totally yeah I think and

1485
00:57:33,170 --> 00:57:30,359
there's a couple reasons for that uh one

1486
00:57:34,790 --> 00:57:33,180
is just something that when I when I

1487
00:57:36,770 --> 00:57:34,800
started diving into the UFO topic

1488
00:57:39,230 --> 00:57:36,780
something that for me was like a red

1489
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:39,240
flag like clearly this isn't real is

1490
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:43,680
that um so many stories involve beings

1491
00:57:47,809 --> 00:57:46,079
associated with these craft that are

1492
00:57:49,970 --> 00:57:47,819
humanoid and to me I was like that's

1493
00:57:52,490 --> 00:57:49,980
stupid like there's no possible way that

1494
00:57:54,349 --> 00:57:52,500
they're all humanoid but then the more I

1495
00:57:57,170 --> 00:57:54,359
looked into it my my thinking on that

1496
00:57:58,790 --> 00:57:57,180
started to change right and so I and it

1497
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,800
makes me start to wonder is there a

1498
00:58:02,349 --> 00:58:00,720
reason why they're why there are

1499
00:58:05,450 --> 00:58:02,359
humanoid is there some connection

1500
00:58:06,829 --> 00:58:05,460
potentially between between us and them

1501
00:58:08,569 --> 00:58:06,839
and we don't know if what we're seeing

1502
00:58:10,190 --> 00:58:08,579
is even really them you know could it be

1503
00:58:12,290 --> 00:58:10,200
some Avatar of some kind but I do think

1504
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:12,300
the fact that they're humanoid

1505
00:58:18,349 --> 00:58:16,319
um is really significant

1506
00:58:20,329 --> 00:58:18,359
um the other reason

1507
00:58:22,010 --> 00:58:20,339
I lost my train of thought remind me of

1508
00:58:25,130 --> 00:58:22,020
the question I always get oh yes of

1509
00:58:28,010 --> 00:58:25,140
course no no no no no no the idea of uh

1510
00:58:31,790 --> 00:58:28,020
were we seated here yes we're so sorry

1511
00:58:34,250 --> 00:58:31,800
yeah just wander off with my thoughts

1512
00:58:37,010 --> 00:58:34,260
um you're going down the rabbit hole

1513
00:58:41,930 --> 00:58:39,170
the others don't totally make sense as a

1514
00:58:45,530 --> 00:58:41,940
species if I just dropped you in the

1515
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:45,540
forest and even like a temperate zone by

1516
00:58:50,930 --> 00:58:48,480
yourself you'd be screwed man like I

1517
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:50,940
mean a super outdoorsy person can make

1518
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:52,559
it for for a while and there are

1519
00:58:55,549 --> 00:58:53,520
certainly people who are out there

1520
00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:55,559
homesteading or whatever but like like

1521
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:57,839
we're not made to be left outside we

1522
00:59:01,490 --> 00:58:59,520
have to put clothes on you put us in the

1523
00:59:03,410 --> 00:59:01,500
Sun and we burn we get too hot we get

1524
00:59:04,609 --> 00:59:03,420
too cold if we get too hot we start

1525
00:59:07,329 --> 00:59:04,619
sweating and just like immediately

1526
00:59:10,730 --> 00:59:07,339
dehydrate and die like we are not

1527
00:59:13,069 --> 00:59:10,740
that we are so poorly designed for this

1528
00:59:16,670 --> 00:59:13,079
planet that it makes you wonder if we

1529
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:16,680
you know and also just the way that we

1530
00:59:21,650 --> 00:59:19,680
you know we we act like an invasive

1531
00:59:25,130 --> 00:59:21,660
species like when you look at what

1532
00:59:27,470 --> 00:59:25,140
happens when you take an animal or

1533
00:59:29,690 --> 00:59:27,480
species from outside of an ecosystem and

1534
00:59:32,569 --> 00:59:29,700
introduce it you know when something

1535
00:59:35,210 --> 00:59:32,579
develops within an ecosystem it evolves

1536
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:35,220
to work in symbiosis with its

1537
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:37,200
environment because it has to because

1538
00:59:41,390 --> 00:59:39,119
it's a give and take you can't just go

1539
00:59:43,849 --> 00:59:41,400
in and take take there's there has to be

1540
00:59:48,289 --> 00:59:43,859
a balance that's maintained there and we

1541
00:59:50,210 --> 00:59:48,299
evolve to fit in well weak things tend

1542
00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:50,220
to evolve in such a way that they create

1543
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,079
these kind of symbiotic relationships

1544
00:59:55,730 --> 00:59:54,240
within their environment but when you

1545
00:59:58,190 --> 00:59:55,740
take something out of the environment in

1546
01:00:00,770 --> 00:59:58,200
which it evolved and you put it into a

1547
01:00:02,569 --> 01:00:00,780
whole new environment it wreaks Havoc it

1548
01:00:04,730 --> 01:00:02,579
screws up everything because it's not

1549
01:00:07,250 --> 01:00:04,740
supposed to be there and it's and it's

1550
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:07,260
messing up the balance of that ecosystem

1551
01:00:13,069 --> 01:00:10,400
that evolved without it and we

1552
01:00:15,349 --> 01:00:13,079
when you look at humans you can it makes

1553
01:00:18,730 --> 01:00:15,359
you wonder you know are are we an

1554
01:00:25,849 --> 01:00:22,549
yes I I mean I know it's kind of

1555
01:00:29,390 --> 01:00:25,859
hypothetical but I do I do agree I think

1556
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:29,400
you know it yes we've evolved uh a lot

1557
01:00:34,730 --> 01:00:31,440
of ways technologically

1558
01:00:37,450 --> 01:00:34,740
um perhaps consciously uh physically but

1559
01:00:41,210 --> 01:00:37,460
it does seem that

1560
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:41,220
we are constantly in a battle with our

1561
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:43,200
own planet of

1562
01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:46,319
um why we're here what we're doing to

1563
01:00:52,849 --> 01:00:48,960
this planet and I do think it's highly

1564
01:00:55,370 --> 01:00:52,859
evasive especially this very hot topic

1565
01:00:57,770 --> 01:00:55,380
of climate change in the world today

1566
01:01:01,730 --> 01:00:57,780
like we've gotten to the point where we

1567
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:01,740
cannot any longer really argue that the

1568
01:01:07,609 --> 01:01:04,079
planet is kind of fighting against us at

1569
01:01:10,010 --> 01:01:07,619
this point and we've made it that way

1570
01:01:12,349 --> 01:01:10,020
um now whether you want to be a part of

1571
01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:12,359
the solution or continue the problem

1572
01:01:18,890 --> 01:01:15,839
like that's up to each human being and I

1573
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:18,900
just hope and pray if you believe in a

1574
01:01:22,730 --> 01:01:20,400
higher power that we will all come

1575
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:22,740
together and try to figure it out before

1576
01:01:28,670 --> 01:01:25,440
the planet takes itself back

1577
01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:28,680
um but getting off my soapbox uh I do

1578
01:01:34,150 --> 01:01:31,200
think it is a theory that we need to

1579
01:01:36,770 --> 01:01:34,160
entertain and and it does seem like

1580
01:01:39,370 --> 01:01:36,780
we're I we're not the most most

1581
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:39,380
adaptable species to live on this planet

1582
01:01:45,410 --> 01:01:43,440
we really aren't so no wonder a lot of

1583
01:01:47,809 --> 01:01:45,420
us are trying to get off this planet I

1584
01:01:48,890 --> 01:01:47,819
guess is another good way to put it

1585
01:01:51,410 --> 01:01:48,900
um exactly

1586
01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:51,420
yeah yeah what else

1587
01:01:53,930 --> 01:01:52,319
um

1588
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:53,940
I know we've covered a lot of what was

1589
01:01:58,250 --> 01:01:55,920
in the podcast Kelly but you also just

1590
01:02:00,589 --> 01:01:58,260
came out with a book that was kind of

1591
01:02:02,150 --> 01:02:00,599
inspired by the podcast which I love

1592
01:02:04,309 --> 01:02:02,160
that idea

1593
01:02:07,010 --> 01:02:04,319
um what else

1594
01:02:08,450 --> 01:02:07,020
did you cover in the book that uh we

1595
01:02:10,849 --> 01:02:08,460
didn't mention tonight that you'd like

1596
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:10,859
to talk about with our audience

1597
01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:12,000
um I think we actually covered

1598
01:02:15,470 --> 01:02:13,440
everything that's in the book so the

1599
01:02:18,109 --> 01:02:15,480
book is basically kind of an intro top

1600
01:02:20,089 --> 01:02:18,119
to the to the topic uh what's going on

1601
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:20,099
now all the different possibilities and

1602
01:02:25,549 --> 01:02:23,280
then I take on the Ancient Aliens thing

1603
01:02:27,410 --> 01:02:25,559
um I felt like some people might think

1604
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:27,420
it was weird to sort of lead with that

1605
01:02:32,030 --> 01:02:29,280
but I thought that I really felt like

1606
01:02:34,670 --> 01:02:32,040
the conversation number one to establish

1607
01:02:36,770 --> 01:02:34,680
that this is a phenomenon that's been

1608
01:02:38,750 --> 01:02:36,780
potentially influencing Humanity through

1609
01:02:40,430 --> 01:02:38,760
all of time and that this kind of 1947

1610
01:02:42,170 --> 01:02:40,440
start date isn't necessarily when it

1611
01:02:44,089 --> 01:02:42,180
started but also I think just the

1612
01:02:47,089 --> 01:02:44,099
thought process of looking at like

1613
01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:47,099
here's another area in where we have

1614
01:02:50,510 --> 01:02:48,480
been sort of told that this is subtle

1615
01:02:52,370 --> 01:02:50,520
science no nothing more to see here

1616
01:02:53,870 --> 01:02:52,380
folks you know and then we find out that

1617
01:02:55,250 --> 01:02:53,880
there actually is a lot more to see here

1618
01:02:58,190 --> 01:02:55,260
and so in some ways it was kind of like

1619
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:58,200
a thought experiment also in terms of

1620
01:03:03,289 --> 01:03:00,960
kind of showing people how you can

1621
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:03,299
how you can kind of deconstruct some of

1622
01:03:06,770 --> 01:03:05,520
this some of this thinking I think that

1623
01:03:09,049 --> 01:03:06,780
especially given everything that's

1624
01:03:10,309 --> 01:03:09,059
happened over the last few years there

1625
01:03:14,030 --> 01:03:10,319
are a lot of people who are very

1626
01:03:17,210 --> 01:03:14,040
defensive and rightly so of Science and

1627
01:03:19,130 --> 01:03:17,220
of Academia and you know the and who

1628
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:19,140
want to say trust the science you know

1629
01:03:21,950 --> 01:03:20,400
that's sort of in a mantra for a lot of

1630
01:03:23,630 --> 01:03:21,960
people for years and I can you know

1631
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:23,640
contextually I can completely understand

1632
01:03:27,890 --> 01:03:25,680
where that's where that's coming from

1633
01:03:30,109 --> 01:03:27,900
but I I also wanted to sort of open

1634
01:03:31,930 --> 01:03:30,119
people's minds up to the the idea that

1635
01:03:34,970 --> 01:03:31,940
like

1636
01:03:38,089 --> 01:03:34,980
sometimes Academia moves more slowly

1637
01:03:40,849 --> 01:03:38,099
when it comes to Major leaps and

1638
01:03:43,069 --> 01:03:40,859
Innovation like when you you know peer

1639
01:03:44,809 --> 01:03:43,079
review is so important and I'm so glad

1640
01:03:46,990 --> 01:03:44,819
that we're starting to see people in

1641
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:47,000
this space creep putting forth

1642
01:03:52,549 --> 01:03:49,920
peer-reviewed work it's it's critically

1643
01:03:55,010 --> 01:03:52,559
important so I am in no way questioning

1644
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:55,020
or criticizing the peer review system

1645
01:03:58,670 --> 01:03:56,640
what we know about the peer review

1646
01:04:01,309 --> 01:03:58,680
system you know and I talk about this a

1647
01:04:03,829 --> 01:04:01,319
lot in the book is that it's um it's

1648
01:04:05,809 --> 01:04:03,839
very good at keeping the overall quality

1649
01:04:07,970 --> 01:04:05,819
of the science that's appearing in

1650
01:04:11,210 --> 01:04:07,980
journal in journals at a certain level

1651
01:04:13,010 --> 01:04:11,220
but when it comes to something that's

1652
01:04:15,289 --> 01:04:13,020
truly Innovative or outside of the

1653
01:04:18,349 --> 01:04:15,299
Paradigm it tends to kind of like brush

1654
01:04:20,329 --> 01:04:18,359
those things to the side like that's how

1655
01:04:23,930 --> 01:04:20,339
you increase the quality of something

1656
01:04:25,309 --> 01:04:23,940
right as you eliminate outliers and so

1657
01:04:27,890 --> 01:04:25,319
you know just trying to help people

1658
01:04:30,770 --> 01:04:27,900
understand that like questioning the

1659
01:04:33,710 --> 01:04:30,780
mainstream Narrative of archeology right

1660
01:04:35,630 --> 01:04:33,720
now is not the same thing as not

1661
01:04:39,170 --> 01:04:35,640
trusting the science or not trusting

1662
01:04:40,010 --> 01:04:39,180
experts or not trusting academics

1663
01:04:42,530 --> 01:04:40,020
um

1664
01:04:45,049 --> 01:04:42,540
then that there is a certain amount of

1665
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:45,059
accountability that we need to bring to

1666
01:04:50,329 --> 01:04:48,000
those people as well respectfully but it

1667
01:04:52,430 --> 01:04:50,339
you know you can't you don't want to put

1668
01:04:55,010 --> 01:04:52,440
your total faith in anyone you need to

1669
01:04:57,289 --> 01:04:55,020
be able to be an independent thinker

1670
01:04:58,490 --> 01:04:57,299
absolutely I couldn't agree with you

1671
01:05:00,049 --> 01:04:58,500
more

1672
01:05:02,329 --> 01:05:00,059
um this is a great listener question we

1673
01:05:04,309 --> 01:05:02,339
have for you as content creators and

1674
01:05:06,650 --> 01:05:04,319
artists do you see similarities between

1675
01:05:09,410 --> 01:05:06,660
art and how it invites both the artists

1676
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:09,420
and the Observer into unknown Realms in

1677
01:05:14,930 --> 01:05:12,000
the UFO phenomenon very eloquently put

1678
01:05:16,309 --> 01:05:14,940
yeah why do you think it is that artists

1679
01:05:16,910 --> 01:05:16,319
seem to be

1680
01:05:19,609 --> 01:05:16,920
um

1681
01:05:22,309 --> 01:05:19,619
sort of pull pulled and Drawn to this

1682
01:05:26,569 --> 01:05:22,319
topic you hear so many different types

1683
01:05:28,609 --> 01:05:26,579
of musicians or artists or uh everything

1684
01:05:30,890 --> 01:05:28,619
in between getting involved in this

1685
01:05:32,690 --> 01:05:30,900
topic whether it's creatively or having

1686
01:05:35,150 --> 01:05:32,700
had a personal experience why do you

1687
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:35,160
think that is Kelly I love this question

1688
01:05:41,030 --> 01:05:36,960
and hi Nathan

1689
01:05:43,010 --> 01:05:41,040
um hi Nathan yeah we uh so this is a

1690
01:05:44,569 --> 01:05:43,020
this is a fantastic question um and I'd

1691
01:05:47,329 --> 01:05:44,579
also Shameless plug

1692
01:05:49,609 --> 01:05:47,339
um Nathan and I actually have a podcast

1693
01:05:51,109 --> 01:05:49,619
together about AI art it's called

1694
01:05:53,450 --> 01:05:51,119
perturbations

1695
01:05:54,890 --> 01:05:53,460
um and you can find it on YouTube uh

1696
01:05:56,329 --> 01:05:54,900
awesome so we talk we talk about these

1697
01:05:57,109 --> 01:05:56,339
things all the time

1698
01:05:59,569 --> 01:05:57,119
um

1699
01:06:01,130 --> 01:05:59,579
yeah I see a lot of similarities there a

1700
01:06:03,049 --> 01:06:01,140
book that actually has nothing to do

1701
01:06:04,609 --> 01:06:03,059
with UFOs but that like really cracked

1702
01:06:06,230 --> 01:06:04,619
open a lot of kind of the Consciousness

1703
01:06:08,930 --> 01:06:06,240
side of it for me

1704
01:06:10,490 --> 01:06:08,940
um is a book by JF Martel

1705
01:06:13,490 --> 01:06:10,500
um he is

1706
01:06:15,770 --> 01:06:13,500
part of the weird studies podcast and

1707
01:06:16,910 --> 01:06:15,780
which I highly recommend and he wrote a

1708
01:06:18,950 --> 01:06:16,920
book called

1709
01:06:21,950 --> 01:06:18,960
um reclaiming art in the age of artifice

1710
01:06:24,049 --> 01:06:21,960
and it is one of the most eloquently

1711
01:06:27,890 --> 01:06:24,059
beautifully written books I've ever read

1712
01:06:31,250 --> 01:06:27,900
and it speaks to exactly you know kind

1713
01:06:32,450 --> 01:06:31,260
of what we touched on before the sort of

1714
01:06:34,910 --> 01:06:32,460
um

1715
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:34,920
the ways in which both UFOs well I guess

1716
01:06:38,690 --> 01:06:36,240
doesn't talk about UFOs but the way in

1717
01:06:39,730 --> 01:06:38,700
which art can sort of connect us to this

1718
01:06:42,650 --> 01:06:39,740
other

1719
01:06:45,349 --> 01:06:42,660
deeper realm

1720
01:06:47,690 --> 01:06:45,359
um this sort of more this realm outside

1721
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:47,700
of our daily our everyday lives and our

1722
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:49,200
Consciousness and our reality the sort

1723
01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:51,119
of deeper reality from which this

1724
01:06:56,329 --> 01:06:53,760
reality kind of Springs you know and I

1725
01:06:58,309 --> 01:06:56,339
think something that's so incredible to

1726
01:07:03,410 --> 01:06:58,319
me about the

1727
01:07:04,910 --> 01:07:03,420
creative process is that I I start this

1728
01:07:06,890 --> 01:07:04,920
thing and I outline it and I start to

1729
01:07:09,950 --> 01:07:06,900
prune it and I start to build it and I

1730
01:07:12,109 --> 01:07:09,960
and and it begins to grow but with any

1731
01:07:13,549 --> 01:07:12,119
work of art whether it's a podcast or a

1732
01:07:15,289 --> 01:07:13,559
book or anything else there comes this

1733
01:07:18,650 --> 01:07:15,299
point where it kind of takes on a life

1734
01:07:21,890 --> 01:07:18,660
of its own its own and where it kind of

1735
01:07:23,630 --> 01:07:21,900
starts growing towards some unseen light

1736
01:07:25,730 --> 01:07:23,640
like the way a plant grows towards the

1737
01:07:27,970 --> 01:07:25,740
light it's it's it's starting to take on

1738
01:07:31,130 --> 01:07:27,980
a path that's not necessarily being

1739
01:07:34,010 --> 01:07:31,140
Guided by me and where there's sort of

1740
01:07:35,990 --> 01:07:34,020
an interactive element to it where

1741
01:07:39,049 --> 01:07:36,000
there's a give and take and suddenly

1742
01:07:41,329 --> 01:07:39,059
this this work of art becomes something

1743
01:07:43,849 --> 01:07:41,339
separate from me and becomes something

1744
01:07:45,710 --> 01:07:43,859
of which like I am intimately tied but

1745
01:07:47,390 --> 01:07:45,720
that also has a life of its own like I

1746
01:07:48,829 --> 01:07:47,400
love people send me pictures of them

1747
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:48,839
holding my book and I think about it

1748
01:07:51,529 --> 01:07:50,160
it's out in the world it's having a

1749
01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:51,539
whole life in existence that has nothing

1750
01:07:54,770 --> 01:07:53,280
to do with me and people are

1751
01:07:56,690 --> 01:07:54,780
understanding it and reading it and

1752
01:07:59,150 --> 01:07:56,700
perceiving it and processing it in ways

1753
01:08:02,870 --> 01:07:59,160
that have nothing to do with me you know

1754
01:08:05,329 --> 01:08:02,880
it's it's it has become its own its own

1755
01:08:09,170 --> 01:08:05,339
thing and I think the mystery of that

1756
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:09,180
the confrontation between the human mind

1757
01:08:14,750 --> 01:08:12,000
and the human spirit with something that

1758
01:08:16,309 --> 01:08:14,760
is that is unknown and that points to

1759
01:08:18,650 --> 01:08:16,319
something bigger and greater than

1760
01:08:20,930 --> 01:08:18,660
ourselves that we have of which we get

1761
01:08:22,729 --> 01:08:20,940
to play a small part I think that you

1762
01:08:25,550 --> 01:08:22,739
know there is

1763
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:25,560
um a lot of overlap between

1764
01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:27,839
art and UFOs

1765
01:08:31,789 --> 01:08:29,520
um and both of them seem to play a

1766
01:08:34,370 --> 01:08:31,799
really important role in this sort of

1767
01:08:37,249 --> 01:08:34,380
initiatory experience that people tend

1768
01:08:38,570 --> 01:08:37,259
to go through uh at the beginning and

1769
01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:38,580
then kind of throughout this process

1770
01:08:43,669 --> 01:08:41,279
through their own hero's journey

1771
01:08:46,550 --> 01:08:43,679
yes bring it back to the hero's journey

1772
01:08:47,689 --> 01:08:46,560
I knew you would be able to book them I

1773
01:08:49,550 --> 01:08:47,699
love that

1774
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:49,560
um oh you bring up somebody and you know

1775
01:08:53,150 --> 01:08:51,359
I don't talk about it often on the

1776
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:53,160
podcast or

1777
01:09:01,370 --> 01:08:56,640
um on social media uh but my primary

1778
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:01,380
focus for the past 15 20 years is I'm a

1779
01:09:06,349 --> 01:09:04,319
playwright I write plays uh I've

1780
01:09:09,470 --> 01:09:06,359
recently written movies as well but like

1781
01:09:11,390 --> 01:09:09,480
that's kind of where my artistic

1782
01:09:13,729 --> 01:09:11,400
abilities I find

1783
01:09:16,610 --> 01:09:13,739
um really late is in the world of

1784
01:09:19,309 --> 01:09:16,620
theater and you know I've written maybe

1785
01:09:23,229 --> 01:09:19,319
a dozen or so plays and I've had those

1786
01:09:25,610 --> 01:09:23,239
moments like you said of you are so

1787
01:09:27,950 --> 01:09:25,620
involved in the creative process that

1788
01:09:29,809 --> 01:09:27,960
you almost feel like you're channeling

1789
01:09:34,209 --> 01:09:29,819
something or you're co-creating

1790
01:09:36,890 --> 01:09:34,219
something with an unknown force or

1791
01:09:39,769 --> 01:09:36,900
inspiration and it does start to take on

1792
01:09:43,550 --> 01:09:39,779
a life of its own I will lose hours of

1793
01:09:46,010 --> 01:09:43,560
my life writing one scene of a play and

1794
01:09:49,430 --> 01:09:46,020
have no idea where that time went

1795
01:09:52,010 --> 01:09:49,440
um or who I I'll start taking on the

1796
01:09:53,930 --> 01:09:52,020
characters not just in my head but like

1797
01:09:56,990 --> 01:09:53,940
literally in my physical space and

1798
01:09:59,930 --> 01:09:57,000
acting things out and it's just like if

1799
01:10:01,850 --> 01:09:59,940
someone saw me from my window doing what

1800
01:10:04,669 --> 01:10:01,860
I do creatively they would think I was

1801
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:04,679
insane uh but that's that's how an

1802
01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:06,960
artist works and I think there is

1803
01:10:12,350 --> 01:10:09,360
something truly powerful that kind of

1804
01:10:14,990 --> 01:10:12,360
takes over when the creative process

1805
01:10:17,390 --> 01:10:15,000
um is is happening and then like you

1806
01:10:20,330 --> 01:10:17,400
said once it's done and it's out there

1807
01:10:23,090 --> 01:10:20,340
it's like giving your child away and

1808
01:10:26,090 --> 01:10:23,100
just trusting that they'll be okay and

1809
01:10:29,570 --> 01:10:26,100
that um whatever you taught them will

1810
01:10:32,510 --> 01:10:29,580
inevitably help the world somehow and

1811
01:10:35,630 --> 01:10:32,520
that it's crazy you know I spend so much

1812
01:10:38,209 --> 01:10:35,640
time trying to make an episode every

1813
01:10:40,669 --> 01:10:38,219
week and get it out on time and and

1814
01:10:41,649 --> 01:10:40,679
adhere to these deadlines that I have or

1815
01:10:44,930 --> 01:10:41,659
expectation

1816
01:10:47,149 --> 01:10:44,940
and you don't always think about who is

1817
01:10:48,530 --> 01:10:47,159
actually listening or watching this

1818
01:10:50,689 --> 01:10:48,540
right now

1819
01:10:53,810 --> 01:10:50,699
um you're so focused on keep getting

1820
01:10:55,550 --> 01:10:53,820
stuff out keep doing what I'm doing you

1821
01:10:58,130 --> 01:10:55,560
don't take those moments to really sit

1822
01:11:01,130 --> 01:10:58,140
down and and and I'll get emails being

1823
01:11:02,750 --> 01:11:01,140
like hey I listened to episode 76 I'm

1824
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:02,760
like oh my God that was like three and a

1825
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:05,280
half years ago like that's so crazy that

1826
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:07,679
people are still finding things

1827
01:11:13,370 --> 01:11:11,040
um or I had someone say that listening

1828
01:11:15,290 --> 01:11:13,380
to the show got them through an

1829
01:11:17,870 --> 01:11:15,300
extremely hard time in their life where

1830
01:11:21,470 --> 01:11:17,880
they literally did not want to continue

1831
01:11:24,470 --> 01:11:21,480
life and I mean holy that that just

1832
01:11:27,649 --> 01:11:24,480
brought me to tears here I am creating a

1833
01:11:31,370 --> 01:11:27,659
podcast about the craziest stuff out

1834
01:11:33,890 --> 01:11:31,380
there UFOs but it can help somebody or

1835
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:33,900
it can impact someone's life in so many

1836
01:11:38,689 --> 01:11:36,000
different ways and as an artist you

1837
01:11:42,229 --> 01:11:38,699
don't always realize that or I guess

1838
01:11:45,370 --> 01:11:42,239
appreciate that in retrospect so yeah so

1839
01:11:50,450 --> 01:11:45,380
anyone watching or listening thank you

1840
01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:50,460
thank you for just trusting us with this

1841
01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:52,800
topic and for um having these

1842
01:11:57,950 --> 01:11:55,440
conversations with us I'm done talking I

1843
01:12:00,950 --> 01:11:57,960
I love this question that Nathan brought

1844
01:12:02,689 --> 01:12:00,960
up and I'm I loved your answer for it um

1845
01:12:05,090 --> 01:12:02,699
I guess

1846
01:12:08,090 --> 01:12:05,100
Kelly to kind of wrap things up we have

1847
01:12:10,790 --> 01:12:08,100
to talk about the conference that you're

1848
01:12:12,890 --> 01:12:10,800
going to be uh co-hosting and going to

1849
01:12:15,229 --> 01:12:12,900
in New York City let me get the title

1850
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:15,239
right an inquiry into anomalous

1851
01:12:21,290 --> 01:12:17,760
experiences and the phenomenon

1852
01:12:22,669 --> 01:12:21,300
um this was created by uh James and Jay

1853
01:12:24,229 --> 01:12:22,679
Christopher

1854
01:12:25,910 --> 01:12:24,239
um and it's going to be the second one

1855
01:12:28,130 --> 01:12:25,920
that I believe you were at the first one

1856
01:12:29,450 --> 01:12:28,140
as well right yes yes

1857
01:12:31,189 --> 01:12:29,460
okay

1858
01:12:33,290 --> 01:12:31,199
um tell us if you don't mind I know this

1859
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:33,300
is in a few days you must be getting

1860
01:12:38,810 --> 01:12:35,760
ready and eager uh to get over to New

1861
01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:38,820
York uh what is this conference in um

1862
01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:40,320
whatever details you want to give us

1863
01:12:44,209 --> 01:12:41,760
about what's going to be going on there

1864
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:44,219
yeah absolutely

1865
01:12:49,130 --> 01:12:47,520
um I am very very lucky and and honored

1866
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:49,140
to have been asked to host to co-host

1867
01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:50,400
again

1868
01:12:55,490 --> 01:12:53,520
um all credit truly goes to uh Jay

1869
01:12:57,649 --> 01:12:55,500
Christopher King and James iandoli who

1870
01:12:58,970 --> 01:12:57,659
have run point on organizing this and

1871
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:58,980
you know New York City that's their

1872
01:13:02,030 --> 01:13:00,239
stomping ground so they've really been

1873
01:13:03,890 --> 01:13:02,040
running point and they they have done an

1874
01:13:06,110 --> 01:13:03,900
absolutely incredible job

1875
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:06,120
um I'm so excited about this series of

1876
01:13:09,709 --> 01:13:07,920
conferences because I think that it's

1877
01:13:11,870 --> 01:13:09,719
something that has been so desperately

1878
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:11,880
needed in our community for a couple

1879
01:13:18,050 --> 01:13:15,120
different reasons one is just the level

1880
01:13:19,490 --> 01:13:18,060
of credibility and academic rigor that

1881
01:13:21,410 --> 01:13:19,500
the speakers that they've managed to put

1882
01:13:25,310 --> 01:13:21,420
together bring to this topic is

1883
01:13:27,229 --> 01:13:25,320
absolutely vital you know no judges and

1884
01:13:28,729 --> 01:13:27,239
about any other kinds of conferences

1885
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:28,739
that are out there I think there's

1886
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:30,960
nothing wrong with like some UF

1887
01:13:34,729 --> 01:13:32,880
attainment and having a good time

1888
01:13:37,130 --> 01:13:34,739
talking about UFOs I have no issues with

1889
01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:37,140
that however where we're at with the

1890
01:13:42,050 --> 01:13:39,360
topic right now we really do need these

1891
01:13:43,250 --> 01:13:42,060
people who are experts and at the top of

1892
01:13:45,050 --> 01:13:43,260
their field who are creating

1893
01:13:45,770 --> 01:13:45,060
peer-reviewed work and that sort of

1894
01:13:49,370 --> 01:13:45,780
thing

1895
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:49,380
um you know to bring credibility to this

1896
01:13:52,729 --> 01:13:51,120
topic and to share The Cutting Edge work

1897
01:13:55,850 --> 01:13:52,739
that they're doing something like this

1898
01:13:57,709 --> 01:13:55,860
just hasn't existed before and I am I

1899
01:13:59,209 --> 01:13:57,719
pinch myself every day that I get to be

1900
01:14:02,270 --> 01:13:59,219
a part of it

1901
01:14:03,410 --> 01:14:02,280
um this upcoming well before I move on

1902
01:14:05,810 --> 01:14:03,420
the other reason I think this is so

1903
01:14:08,330 --> 01:14:05,820
vital for our community is that you know

1904
01:14:11,390 --> 01:14:08,340
this is bringing back to the hero's

1905
01:14:12,770 --> 01:14:11,400
journey you know you you come into this

1906
01:14:14,810 --> 01:14:12,780
topic and some of us like you have been

1907
01:14:16,010 --> 01:14:14,820
here for you know decades and there's

1908
01:14:19,010 --> 01:14:16,020
some of us who have just been here for

1909
01:14:20,750 --> 01:14:19,020
months and years uh and but regardless

1910
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:20,760
of where you are this is a journey you

1911
01:14:25,310 --> 01:14:23,040
really shouldn't take alone you know you

1912
01:14:27,470 --> 01:14:25,320
there's a lot that comes up as you start

1913
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:27,480
to Grapple with the complexities of the

1914
01:14:32,169 --> 01:14:29,760
reality that we find ourselves in and

1915
01:14:35,390 --> 01:14:32,179
it's better to travel with in a group

1916
01:14:37,550 --> 01:14:35,400
you know and unfortunately all of us are

1917
01:14:38,930 --> 01:14:37,560
so spread out and like UFO Twitter I

1918
01:14:40,370 --> 01:14:38,940
feel so connected to everyone and we

1919
01:14:43,310 --> 01:14:40,380
talk every day but there's nothing like

1920
01:14:44,930 --> 01:14:43,320
getting people into the same room and to

1921
01:14:46,970 --> 01:14:44,940
just be able to have those conversations

1922
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:46,980
and just give people a hug like it was

1923
01:14:50,270 --> 01:14:48,719
and I have to say like you said this is

1924
01:14:51,770 --> 01:14:50,280
the most supportive Community I've ever

1925
01:14:53,330 --> 01:14:51,780
been a part of everyone was just like

1926
01:14:55,610 --> 01:14:53,340
brilliant and fun and wonderful and I

1927
01:14:58,370 --> 01:14:55,620
could not have been more thrilled

1928
01:15:01,010 --> 01:14:58,380
um coming up though on Saturday I cannot

1929
01:15:03,169 --> 01:15:01,020
deal with the lineup that we're going to

1930
01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:03,179
have live stream tickets are still

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01:15:07,729 --> 01:15:05,760
available if you would like to check

1932
01:15:09,830 --> 01:15:07,739
that out and even if you can't watch we

1933
01:15:11,510 --> 01:15:09,840
send you the video afterwards if you've

1934
01:15:13,550 --> 01:15:11,520
bought the live stream ticket so you

1935
01:15:15,290 --> 01:15:13,560
know even if you can't attend but you

1936
01:15:18,169 --> 01:15:15,300
would like to be a part of this

1937
01:15:20,810 --> 01:15:18,179
um definitely get your ticket we have

1938
01:15:24,530 --> 01:15:20,820
um Jeffrey uh Whitley striver

1939
01:15:26,270 --> 01:15:24,540
Leslie Keane Ralph Blumenthal and

1940
01:15:29,149 --> 01:15:26,280
Christopher melon is going to be there

1941
01:15:30,830 --> 01:15:29,159
which is like still blows my mind so I

1942
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:30,840
could not be more excited and I really

1943
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:32,400
hope the people are going to tune in

1944
01:15:34,790 --> 01:15:33,360
because I think it's going to be

1945
01:15:36,590 --> 01:15:34,800
incredible

1946
01:15:38,689 --> 01:15:36,600
it's awesome yeah there should be a link

1947
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:38,699
down there in the show notes guys if you

1948
01:15:42,770 --> 01:15:40,560
want to attend the live stream version I

1949
01:15:44,450 --> 01:15:42,780
know I will be for sure

1950
01:15:47,330 --> 01:15:44,460
um actually

1951
01:15:49,970 --> 01:15:47,340
um spoiler alert my college roommate is

1952
01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:49,980
going to this thing which is insane to

1953
01:15:57,050 --> 01:15:53,520
me this dude I used to like you know get

1954
01:15:59,090 --> 01:15:57,060
drunk with and go chasing skunks around

1955
01:16:02,090 --> 01:15:59,100
the quad at my Upstate New York College

1956
01:16:04,669 --> 01:16:02,100
is going to a UFO conference

1957
01:16:06,290 --> 01:16:04,679
um to see Leslie Kane to see Whitley

1958
01:16:09,290 --> 01:16:06,300
Streeper

1959
01:16:11,930 --> 01:16:09,300
um so talk about like full circle moment

1960
01:16:14,810 --> 01:16:11,940
for me this guy who didn't even know I

1961
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:14,820
was really into UFOs in college is now

1962
01:16:20,209 --> 01:16:17,040
going to a conference and I told him

1963
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:20,219
yeah just tell people I've sent you

1964
01:16:25,010 --> 01:16:23,040
um and oh yeah either either they'll run

1965
01:16:28,250 --> 01:16:25,020
away or they'll be like oh yeah I know

1966
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:28,260
who Ryan is for sure so um yeah totally

1967
01:16:33,649 --> 01:16:30,719
just insane to me that we're at this

1968
01:16:35,870 --> 01:16:33,659
point in the UFO conversation yeah um I

1969
01:16:37,070 --> 01:16:35,880
I'm super excited I can't wait to see

1970
01:16:39,649 --> 01:16:37,080
what everyone's going to be talking

1971
01:16:42,350 --> 01:16:39,659
about I know Leslie Kane is going to be

1972
01:16:45,890 --> 01:16:42,360
doing kind of like a cool q a with Chris

1973
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:45,900
Mellon so I mean what a rarity to get

1974
01:16:50,090 --> 01:16:48,239
those two in the same room together to

1975
01:16:51,229 --> 01:16:50,100
have these conversations I I can't even

1976
01:16:52,270 --> 01:16:51,239
imagine

1977
01:16:54,530 --> 01:16:52,280
um

1978
01:16:57,050 --> 01:16:54,540
it's gonna be crazy

1979
01:16:58,310 --> 01:16:57,060
so are you personally speaking Kelly

1980
01:17:00,950 --> 01:16:58,320
what are you what are you going to be

1981
01:17:03,169 --> 01:17:00,960
doing at the event so I'm I'm co-hosting

1982
01:17:04,610 --> 01:17:03,179
I'll deliver some like short remarks

1983
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:04,620
um I did last time as well probably like

1984
01:17:09,530 --> 01:17:06,960
less than five minutes so nothing no

1985
01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:09,540
one's there to hear me so I am very

1986
01:17:13,729 --> 01:17:12,239
happy to sit down and listen along with

1987
01:17:16,070 --> 01:17:13,739
everyone else

1988
01:17:18,410 --> 01:17:16,080
um but it's gonna be it's gonna be just

1989
01:17:21,590 --> 01:17:18,420
a really special time and the the venue

1990
01:17:23,330 --> 01:17:21,600
is really cool it's like only 125 people

1991
01:17:26,570 --> 01:17:23,340
um and so you know we're all able to

1992
01:17:28,850 --> 01:17:26,580
just kind of uh I don't know it was very

1993
01:17:30,350 --> 01:17:28,860
like cozy last time which I I really

1994
01:17:32,330 --> 01:17:30,360
enjoyed it just felt very kind of

1995
01:17:34,370 --> 01:17:32,340
familial and Community like a community

1996
01:17:36,530 --> 01:17:34,380
and I I had a great time

1997
01:17:39,229 --> 01:17:36,540
that's how it should be and of course

1998
01:17:40,790 --> 01:17:39,239
like UFO conferences in New York City

1999
01:17:44,149 --> 01:17:40,800
were never a thing when I lived there

2000
01:17:46,430 --> 01:17:44,159
for 11 years and now the minute I move

2001
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:46,440
out of the country we've got like this

2002
01:17:52,189 --> 01:17:49,920
amazing event happening such as life but

2003
01:17:54,169 --> 01:17:52,199
I know well I'll definitely have to make

2004
01:17:55,970 --> 01:17:54,179
it for sure something I think they're

2005
01:17:57,709 --> 01:17:55,980
going to do a few more next year I think

2006
01:17:58,850 --> 01:17:57,719
it's going to be three don't quote me on

2007
01:18:00,470 --> 01:17:58,860
that

2008
01:18:02,450 --> 01:18:00,480
um but I'm actually gonna try to make it

2009
01:18:04,610 --> 01:18:02,460
out to the UK for a conference at least

2010
01:18:06,169 --> 01:18:04,620
next year because I feel like there's we

2011
01:18:07,610 --> 01:18:06,179
got so many great people in the UK got

2012
01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:07,620
to come say hi so

2013
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:10,320
absolutely we've got the whole UAP media

2014
01:18:16,370 --> 01:18:13,199
UK group over here which I'm an honorary

2015
01:18:18,590 --> 01:18:16,380
member now as a American they've for

2016
01:18:20,630 --> 01:18:18,600
some reason let me in I don't know what

2017
01:18:22,669 --> 01:18:20,640
they were thinking but uh I love that no

2018
01:18:23,930 --> 01:18:22,679
love those guys I know a few of them are

2019
01:18:26,330 --> 01:18:23,940
going to be attending this New York

2020
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:26,340
event uh Dan zetterstrom and Graham

2021
01:18:31,130 --> 01:18:27,840
Rendell

2022
01:18:33,110 --> 01:18:31,140
um so again so cool like this event is

2023
01:18:34,550 --> 01:18:33,120
getting people from all over the U.S all

2024
01:18:36,410 --> 01:18:34,560
over the UK

2025
01:18:39,110 --> 01:18:36,420
um so I highly highly suggest people

2026
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:39,120
check it out if you can in person but if

2027
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:42,000
not the live stream link should be right

2028
01:18:45,110 --> 01:18:43,920
there in the show notes guys so check

2029
01:18:47,689 --> 01:18:45,120
that out

2030
01:18:51,169 --> 01:18:47,699
um last question for you Kelly before we

2031
01:18:54,350 --> 01:18:51,179
go um I always like to get people's uh

2032
01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:54,360
opinions or suggestions on this you are

2033
01:18:59,390 --> 01:18:56,640
somewhat new to the topic there's people

2034
01:19:02,330 --> 01:18:59,400
far younger and far

2035
01:19:04,729 --> 01:19:02,340
um newer to the topic every day I'm

2036
01:19:07,070 --> 01:19:04,739
getting new emails from people

2037
01:19:09,649 --> 01:19:07,080
um you know in their late teens or early

2038
01:19:11,870 --> 01:19:09,659
20s who are getting invested and

2039
01:19:13,790 --> 01:19:11,880
interested in UFOs and I'm like where

2040
01:19:16,250 --> 01:19:13,800
was this when I was growing up this is

2041
01:19:18,290 --> 01:19:16,260
amazing and you know I always try to

2042
01:19:21,110 --> 01:19:18,300
help them try to guide them towards the

2043
01:19:23,689 --> 01:19:21,120
literature or you know shows like yours

2044
01:19:26,689 --> 01:19:23,699
or um or or stuff like that

2045
01:19:29,030 --> 01:19:26,699
documentaries whatnot but um what would

2046
01:19:32,270 --> 01:19:29,040
you suggest for anyone just getting

2047
01:19:34,970 --> 01:19:32,280
interested in UFOs where should they

2048
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:34,980
turn what should they do

2049
01:19:39,169 --> 01:19:37,199
um what pitfalls should they avoid I

2050
01:19:41,209 --> 01:19:39,179
guess um yeah what are your suggestions

2051
01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:41,219
for anyone watching this tonight and

2052
01:19:46,850 --> 01:19:44,880
being like whoa like I didn't know UFOs

2053
01:19:47,950 --> 01:19:46,860
sort of thing but apparently they are uh

2054
01:19:50,450 --> 01:19:47,960
what would you suggest for them

2055
01:19:51,709 --> 01:19:50,460
absolutely so well first of all I have

2056
01:19:54,050 --> 01:19:51,719
to get the Shameless plug out of the way

2057
01:19:55,669 --> 01:19:54,060
if you start with episode one of the UFO

2058
01:19:58,310 --> 01:19:55,679
Rabbit Hole podcast I've written it so

2059
01:20:01,430 --> 01:19:58,320
that if you know nothing about UFOs you

2060
01:20:03,950 --> 01:20:01,440
can come to the topic and by the end of

2061
01:20:06,290 --> 01:20:03,960
season one you'll be pretty much up to

2062
01:20:08,630 --> 01:20:06,300
speed and at the level of someone who's

2063
01:20:10,430 --> 01:20:08,640
been studying this for a much longer

2064
01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:10,440
time so that's kind of the goal of how

2065
01:20:14,270 --> 01:20:12,960
you know I put that together but putting

2066
01:20:17,030 --> 01:20:14,280
my Shameless plug aside I think there's

2067
01:20:20,689 --> 01:20:17,040
some amazing resources out there

2068
01:20:22,130 --> 01:20:20,699
um I would say that the

2069
01:20:24,290 --> 01:20:22,140
um

2070
01:20:25,490 --> 01:20:24,300
two books the P that I think if you want

2071
01:20:26,689 --> 01:20:25,500
to knock it out there's so many

2072
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:26,699
incredible books once you get started

2073
01:20:29,930 --> 01:20:27,600
you're going to want to read them all

2074
01:20:32,030 --> 01:20:29,940
but two books that will kind of get you

2075
01:20:33,530 --> 01:20:32,040
up to speed with an understanding of the

2076
01:20:36,770 --> 01:20:33,540
of the topic right now besides mine

2077
01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:36,780
obviously is uh uh Ross Colt hearts in

2078
01:20:41,510 --> 01:20:38,400
plain sight I think that that is kind of

2079
01:20:43,370 --> 01:20:41,520
like the most sober unflinching look at

2080
01:20:46,610 --> 01:20:43,380
just how we've gotten here and what the

2081
01:20:48,890 --> 01:20:46,620
evidence is that UFOs exist and then the

2082
01:20:51,770 --> 01:20:48,900
second one would be American Cosmic

2083
01:20:54,050 --> 01:20:51,780
um by Dr Diana Walsh paselka and I think

2084
01:20:56,149 --> 01:20:54,060
that that just sort of takes what you

2085
01:20:58,070 --> 01:20:56,159
what you learned from Ross's book and

2086
01:20:59,990 --> 01:20:58,080
just re-contextualizes it and helps you

2087
01:21:02,990 --> 01:21:00,000
understand from a slightly different

2088
01:21:04,310 --> 01:21:03,000
perspective what this might be and and

2089
01:21:05,630 --> 01:21:04,320
how it might interact with human

2090
01:21:07,610 --> 01:21:05,640
consciousness and that that's just

2091
01:21:08,689 --> 01:21:07,620
enough to like kind of crack the door

2092
01:21:10,970 --> 01:21:08,699
open

2093
01:21:13,669 --> 01:21:10,980
from there I would say to people

2094
01:21:16,610 --> 01:21:13,679
follow your interest follow the thing

2095
01:21:18,709 --> 01:21:16,620
that sings to you I think that in all of

2096
01:21:20,750 --> 01:21:18,719
this we each had kind of our different

2097
01:21:22,790 --> 01:21:20,760
avenues that brought us into the topic

2098
01:21:25,850 --> 01:21:22,800
and brought us close you know that that

2099
01:21:28,130 --> 01:21:25,860
really sparked that interest in us and

2100
01:21:28,970 --> 01:21:28,140
the more I learn about this process and

2101
01:21:30,290 --> 01:21:28,980
the other thing I'm going to write about

2102
01:21:32,149 --> 01:21:30,300
my book next year with kind of these

2103
01:21:35,149 --> 01:21:32,159
initiatory experiences is that I think

2104
01:21:38,149 --> 01:21:35,159
that that cure that initial spark of

2105
01:21:40,250 --> 01:21:38,159
curiosity around a topic is actually

2106
01:21:42,290 --> 01:21:40,260
very crucial and that in some ways it's

2107
01:21:44,990 --> 01:21:42,300
like a big green light saying like go

2108
01:21:46,250 --> 01:21:45,000
this way and so you know I would say

2109
01:21:47,990 --> 01:21:46,260
those are two books that I definitely

2110
01:21:50,090 --> 01:21:48,000
recommend but for people I think for

2111
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:50,100
anyone approaching this topic get your

2112
01:21:55,790 --> 01:21:52,320
toes wet and see what speaks to you and

2113
01:21:57,350 --> 01:21:55,800
as you start to go down any one of these

2114
01:21:58,970 --> 01:21:57,360
rabbit holes that are associated with

2115
01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:58,980
UFOs you always kind of find yourself

2116
01:22:02,630 --> 01:22:00,719
back at the beginning so don't be afraid

2117
01:22:04,430 --> 01:22:02,640
that you're going to get lost

2118
01:22:06,890 --> 01:22:04,440
um just follow what's really interesting

2119
01:22:08,270 --> 01:22:06,900
to you and you will find your own path

2120
01:22:09,470 --> 01:22:08,280
and your own understanding and I really

2121
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:09,480
think that that's kind of the most

2122
01:22:14,330 --> 01:22:11,760
important part of all of this

2123
01:22:16,970 --> 01:22:14,340
yeah absolutely and I don't you know

2124
01:22:19,790 --> 01:22:16,980
when I listen to your show I find myself

2125
01:22:22,669 --> 01:22:19,800
taking the journey with you and I always

2126
01:22:25,370 --> 01:22:22,679
kind of envision myself like going down

2127
01:22:28,130 --> 01:22:25,380
and then clinging and going back up the

2128
01:22:30,050 --> 01:22:28,140
hole and then going back down and I love

2129
01:22:31,729 --> 01:22:30,060
that and there's different tunnels to

2130
01:22:33,770 --> 01:22:31,739
take when you're down there

2131
01:22:36,590 --> 01:22:33,780
um it's like Alice in Wonderland it

2132
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:36,600
really is and um ah it's it's absolutely

2133
01:22:39,709 --> 01:22:37,920
fascinating

2134
01:22:41,930 --> 01:22:39,719
um well Kelly last question for you

2135
01:22:44,630 --> 01:22:41,940
obviously where can we find the book

2136
01:22:46,490 --> 01:22:44,640
where can we find the podcast and what

2137
01:22:48,410 --> 01:22:46,500
comes next

2138
01:22:50,450 --> 01:22:48,420
so you can find the book or the podcast

2139
01:22:52,610 --> 01:22:50,460
all of the information from my website

2140
01:22:56,570 --> 01:22:52,620
you can find everything at uforabbath

2141
01:22:58,910 --> 01:22:56,580
hole.com or you can follow me on Twitter

2142
01:23:01,550 --> 01:22:58,920
um which is UFO underscore rabbit

2143
01:23:02,750 --> 01:23:01,560
underscore whole which is harder to say

2144
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:02,760
than I thought

2145
01:23:05,149 --> 01:23:03,840
um so you guys can follow me there

2146
01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:05,159
either of those places you'll find all

2147
01:23:09,950 --> 01:23:07,199
the information it's all linked up

2148
01:23:11,870 --> 01:23:09,960
um the book is on Amazon and then as for

2149
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:11,880
what comes next I'm wrapping up season

2150
01:23:15,950 --> 01:23:14,400
one I just released episode 15 I think

2151
01:23:17,810 --> 01:23:15,960
it's going to be about 20 episodes by

2152
01:23:21,290 --> 01:23:17,820
the time I'm wrapped

2153
01:23:24,590 --> 01:23:21,300
um there will be a slight Hiatus once

2154
01:23:27,050 --> 01:23:24,600
episode 20 is done I'll release another

2155
01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:27,060
book that tackles basically episodes 11

2156
01:23:31,130 --> 01:23:29,280
through 20. I'll probably take a short

2157
01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:31,140
Hiatus because I'm working I'm already

2158
01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:33,120
working on season two there's it's gonna

2159
01:23:37,130 --> 01:23:36,000
be a lot more collaborative and I have a

2160
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:37,140
lot of different people that I will be

2161
01:23:40,970 --> 01:23:39,120
partnering with for that and I which I'm

2162
01:23:42,830 --> 01:23:40,980
very excited about I want to continue to

2163
01:23:44,870 --> 01:23:42,840
tell the story if you know in the way

2164
01:23:47,630 --> 01:23:44,880
that I have but it's time to bring in

2165
01:23:49,370 --> 01:23:47,640
some New Perspectives and voices is so

2166
01:23:50,630 --> 01:23:49,380
really excited about that and the big

2167
01:23:52,250 --> 01:23:50,640
thing that's going to be different about

2168
01:23:54,470 --> 01:23:52,260
season two is that I feel like season

2169
01:23:57,590 --> 01:23:54,480
one was really about acquainting people

2170
01:23:58,910 --> 01:23:57,600
with the lore the reality of the

2171
01:24:00,050 --> 01:23:58,920
phenomenon you know just the fact that

2172
01:24:01,790 --> 01:24:00,060
it's real what all the different

2173
01:24:05,090 --> 01:24:01,800
possible hypotheses are and sort of

2174
01:24:06,590 --> 01:24:05,100
where we are right now and um season two

2175
01:24:07,729 --> 01:24:06,600
though is going to start tackling the

2176
01:24:10,209 --> 01:24:07,739
thing that we haven't really talked

2177
01:24:12,890 --> 01:24:10,219
about yet in the in my podcast which is

2178
01:24:15,169 --> 01:24:12,900
experiencers what do we do with

2179
01:24:17,270 --> 01:24:15,179
experiencers and with this wide and vast

2180
01:24:19,850 --> 01:24:17,280
array of kind of anomalous and strange

2181
01:24:21,410 --> 01:24:19,860
experiences that people have with these

2182
01:24:23,390 --> 01:24:21,420
UFOs you know you see a whole lot of

2183
01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:23,400
people who are like very into UFOs but

2184
01:24:27,649 --> 01:24:25,679
not necessarily it's harder to know it's

2185
01:24:28,669 --> 01:24:27,659
like yeah okay I believe in UFOs and I

2186
01:24:29,870 --> 01:24:28,679
think there's probably a non-human

2187
01:24:31,130 --> 01:24:29,880
intelligence but then I've got this

2188
01:24:32,390 --> 01:24:31,140
person telling me that like a purple man

2189
01:24:34,250 --> 01:24:32,400
just came to their bedroom like what do

2190
01:24:38,030 --> 01:24:34,260
I do what do I do with that right and

2191
01:24:38,570 --> 01:24:38,040
how do I right and so I really want to

2192
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:38,580
um

2193
01:24:43,310 --> 01:24:41,520
kind of deconstruct that whole thing and

2194
01:24:46,490 --> 01:24:43,320
give people a framework with which they

2195
01:24:48,110 --> 01:24:46,500
can start to understand these sorts of

2196
01:24:49,370 --> 01:24:48,120
experiences whether they're hearing

2197
01:24:51,830 --> 01:24:49,380
about an experience from someone else or

2198
01:24:53,270 --> 01:24:51,840
maybe they have their own experience

2199
01:24:54,530 --> 01:24:53,280
um you know I don't have the answers to

2200
01:24:57,110 --> 01:24:54,540
any of this but I think that there's

2201
01:24:58,910 --> 01:24:57,120
just that there's there are many other

2202
01:25:01,910 --> 01:24:58,920
avenues to explore and kind of ways that

2203
01:25:03,530 --> 01:25:01,920
I I feel guilty to be honest profiting

2204
01:25:05,930 --> 01:25:03,540
off of a topic

2205
01:25:07,490 --> 01:25:05,940
um without bringing in the experience or

2206
01:25:08,750 --> 01:25:07,500
angle I think it's like vitally

2207
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:08,760
important and that creators it's

2208
01:25:13,689 --> 01:25:10,320
important for us to create a world

2209
01:25:15,830 --> 01:25:13,699
that's safer for people who are actually

2210
01:25:17,990 --> 01:25:15,840
experiencing and being impacted by this

2211
01:25:19,970 --> 01:25:18,000
phenomenon that like we have so much fun

2212
01:25:21,950 --> 01:25:19,980
and like have our livelihoods around

2213
01:25:24,050 --> 01:25:21,960
talking about right I want to make sure

2214
01:25:25,070 --> 01:25:24,060
that we're also making the world safer

2215
01:25:28,550 --> 01:25:25,080
for the people who are really being

2216
01:25:31,070 --> 01:25:28,560
impacted by this on a on a daily basis

2217
01:25:33,530 --> 01:25:31,080
I love that yeah and for anyone who

2218
01:25:36,110 --> 01:25:33,540
knows like that's I'm all about the

2219
01:25:39,530 --> 01:25:36,120
witnesses and the experiencers and that

2220
01:25:42,649 --> 01:25:39,540
human angle I honestly believe that the

2221
01:25:44,330 --> 01:25:42,659
more we deconstruct these quote unquote

2222
01:25:46,189 --> 01:25:44,340
alien phenomena the more it's going to

2223
01:25:49,130 --> 01:25:46,199
tell us about ourselves than whatever

2224
01:25:50,630 --> 01:25:49,140
the phenomenon actually represents so um

2225
01:25:52,850 --> 01:25:50,640
I love that I love that you're going to

2226
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:52,860
bring in the experiencers and give them

2227
01:25:56,990 --> 01:25:55,199
a voice in a platform

2228
01:25:59,149 --> 01:25:57,000
um we need more of that and as the

2229
01:26:02,689 --> 01:25:59,159
conversation continues you know now

2230
01:26:04,189 --> 01:26:02,699
we're talking UFOs and the military and

2231
01:26:06,590 --> 01:26:04,199
this and that this and that but for

2232
01:26:09,350 --> 01:26:06,600
every one of those Nimitz Tic Tac events

2233
01:26:11,090 --> 01:26:09,360
there was a hundred people out there

2234
01:26:13,850 --> 01:26:11,100
from all over the world who've had

2235
01:26:15,709 --> 01:26:13,860
experiences too and their stories have

2236
01:26:17,810 --> 01:26:15,719
just as much value I think in the

2237
01:26:19,430 --> 01:26:17,820
overall conversation and trying to

2238
01:26:22,250 --> 01:26:19,440
figure out what the hell is going on in

2239
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:22,260
our skies and and possibly even here on

2240
01:26:26,330 --> 01:26:24,719
our planet so I love that I love that

2241
01:26:28,490 --> 01:26:26,340
the future looks bright for the UFO

2242
01:26:30,350 --> 01:26:28,500
Rabbit Hole I can't wait to see what

2243
01:26:32,629 --> 01:26:30,360
what comes next Kelly

2244
01:26:35,750 --> 01:26:32,639
um I'm Gonna Let You Go I've kept you

2245
01:26:38,510 --> 01:26:35,760
far longer than I told you I would

2246
01:26:40,430 --> 01:26:38,520
um and I'm going to have a uh a slight

2247
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:40,440
debrief for the audience here but I want

2248
01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:42,719
to thank you for your time and um and

2249
01:26:50,209 --> 01:26:44,159
for your insights tonight here on

2250
01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:52,490
it really was thank you I'll say

2251
01:26:58,550 --> 01:26:54,480
goodnight to you now all right bye Ryan

2252
01:27:03,229 --> 01:27:00,530
awesome guys

2253
01:27:05,810 --> 01:27:03,239
um that was amazing you know a lot of

2254
01:27:07,970 --> 01:27:05,820
the times with the podcast I um I'm a

2255
01:27:09,950 --> 01:27:07,980
slave to a script I'm a playwright I

2256
01:27:12,169 --> 01:27:09,960
love to know what's coming next you know

2257
01:27:14,450 --> 01:27:12,179
I always have my questions lined up uh

2258
01:27:16,910 --> 01:27:14,460
but with Kelly I knew we could just come

2259
01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:16,920
on and have a conversation and that's

2260
01:27:20,570 --> 01:27:18,480
what happened and I think that's where

2261
01:27:22,669 --> 01:27:20,580
you get some of the best uh

2262
01:27:25,970 --> 01:27:22,679
conversations to be honest when you

2263
01:27:27,890 --> 01:27:25,980
don't know where the road is going and

2264
01:27:30,169 --> 01:27:27,900
um that's kind of what the UFO Rabbit

2265
01:27:32,750 --> 01:27:30,179
Hole represents is going down these

2266
01:27:34,370 --> 01:27:32,760
different roads and avenues and clawing

2267
01:27:36,649 --> 01:27:34,380
your way back up when you think you have

2268
01:27:38,870 --> 01:27:36,659
the answer and it's exciting it's

2269
01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:38,880
frustrating and it's a journey that we

2270
01:27:43,490 --> 01:27:41,040
all continue to take so again I want to

2271
01:27:45,290 --> 01:27:43,500
thank Kelly for coming on tonight it was

2272
01:27:47,390 --> 01:27:45,300
a fascinating conversation I hope you

2273
01:27:50,270 --> 01:27:47,400
guys enjoyed it

2274
01:27:52,490 --> 01:27:50,280
um as for what comes next we're in the

2275
01:27:53,870 --> 01:27:52,500
holiday season and uh I don't know if

2276
01:27:56,810 --> 01:27:53,880
any of you are following my Instagram

2277
01:27:59,689 --> 01:27:56,820
but I posted a little teaser that I have

2278
01:28:01,790 --> 01:27:59,699
a very a couple actually special holiday

2279
01:28:04,010 --> 01:28:01,800
themed episodes coming up of somewhere

2280
01:28:07,070 --> 01:28:04,020
in the skies so be on the lookout for

2281
01:28:08,450 --> 01:28:07,080
that get you in the festive spirit and

2282
01:28:10,910 --> 01:28:08,460
um there's one other thing I wanted to

2283
01:28:13,910 --> 01:28:10,920
share with you guys that is coming up

2284
01:28:15,830 --> 01:28:13,920
that is escaping me right now

2285
01:28:17,689 --> 01:28:15,840
um we'll leave it at that we've got some

2286
01:28:20,450 --> 01:28:17,699
holiday themed episodes coming up for

2287
01:28:22,790 --> 01:28:20,460
sure oh we also here we go

2288
01:28:26,030 --> 01:28:22,800
for those of you who don't know I'm also

2289
01:28:29,330 --> 01:28:26,040
a crazy wrestling fan I grew up with the

2290
01:28:31,610 --> 01:28:29,340
WWF The Hulk Hogans and the you know the

2291
01:28:34,610 --> 01:28:31,620
Sean Michaels The Rock Stone Cold Steve

2292
01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:34,620
Austin blah blah blah and um

2293
01:28:40,070 --> 01:28:37,199
I'm actually going to be I shouldn't say

2294
01:28:42,290 --> 01:28:40,080
I uh this was set up by my co-pilot my

2295
01:28:45,590 --> 01:28:42,300
co-host Christine Newton uh we're going

2296
01:28:48,770 --> 01:28:45,600
to be talking to Lash LaRue who was a

2297
01:28:52,490 --> 01:28:48,780
professional wrestler for the WCW and

2298
01:28:55,189 --> 01:28:52,500
the WWF now called the WWE uh and we're

2299
01:28:57,410 --> 01:28:55,199
gonna talk all about you know what it

2300
01:28:59,870 --> 01:28:57,420
was like being a professional wrestler

2301
01:29:02,090 --> 01:28:59,880
and growing up in that World

2302
01:29:04,129 --> 01:29:02,100
um but not only that lash is an

2303
01:29:06,169 --> 01:29:04,139
experiencer and has a keen interest in

2304
01:29:08,390 --> 01:29:06,179
UFOs and The Unexplained so we're

2305
01:29:09,890 --> 01:29:08,400
actually going to talk a lot about that

2306
01:29:12,290 --> 01:29:09,900
with him as well I'm going to be the one

2307
01:29:15,050 --> 01:29:12,300
asking wrestling questions so I

2308
01:29:18,169 --> 01:29:15,060
apologize in advance to lash and to

2309
01:29:20,149 --> 01:29:18,179
Chrissy and all of you but hey how often

2310
01:29:23,330 --> 01:29:20,159
do you get to talk to someone who

2311
01:29:25,850 --> 01:29:23,340
literally is like a superhero in real

2312
01:29:27,590 --> 01:29:25,860
life pretty pretty cool so be on the

2313
01:29:29,450 --> 01:29:27,600
lookout for that be on the lookout for

2314
01:29:32,570 --> 01:29:29,460
our holiday themed episodes coming up

2315
01:29:34,490 --> 01:29:32,580
very soon and be on the lookout for a

2316
01:29:37,010 --> 01:29:34,500
new season of ancient aliens coming to

2317
01:29:39,310 --> 01:29:37,020
you hopefully soon you're going to see

2318
01:29:43,370 --> 01:29:39,320
some familiar faces on there

2319
01:29:45,169 --> 01:29:43,380
some new faces as well I ran into a

2320
01:29:48,350 --> 01:29:45,179
couple friends and colleagues during

2321
01:29:49,910 --> 01:29:48,360
filming which was really cool so look

2322
01:29:52,910 --> 01:29:49,920
for some new faces on the upcoming

2323
01:29:56,450 --> 01:29:52,920
season of Ancient Aliens and again

2324
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:56,460
please if you can December 3rd the

2325
01:30:00,709 --> 01:29:58,800
inquiry into anomalous experiences and

2326
01:30:03,590 --> 01:30:00,719
the phenomenon conference in New York

2327
01:30:06,290 --> 01:30:03,600
City uh please check that out Kelly will

2328
01:30:08,030 --> 01:30:06,300
be co-hosting that and uh a link should

2329
01:30:10,550 --> 01:30:08,040
be right down there in the show notes if

2330
01:30:12,950 --> 01:30:10,560
you can't make it in person uh the live

2331
01:30:15,649 --> 01:30:12,960
streaming live stream is available as

2332
01:30:17,510 --> 01:30:15,659
well so be sure to check that out other

2333
01:30:19,550 --> 01:30:17,520
than that guys I want to thank you for

2334
01:30:21,530 --> 01:30:19,560
hopping in tonight and for asking your

2335
01:30:23,750 --> 01:30:21,540
questions and in all of your comments

2336
01:30:25,669 --> 01:30:23,760
truly truly appreciate it

2337
01:30:27,950 --> 01:30:25,679
um if you want to help out the show uh

2338
01:30:30,470 --> 01:30:27,960
Super Chat and uh super sticker should

2339
01:30:32,750 --> 01:30:30,480
be open for a couple more minutes here

2340
01:30:35,450 --> 01:30:32,760
um or you can join our exclusive YouTube

2341
01:30:37,970 --> 01:30:35,460
members only section which should be the

2342
01:30:39,470 --> 01:30:37,980
join button right under the video

2343
01:30:42,410 --> 01:30:39,480
um if you join that I think it's like

2344
01:30:44,750 --> 01:30:42,420
4.99 a month you get

2345
01:30:47,750 --> 01:30:44,760
um exclusive content and you also get

2346
01:30:49,970 --> 01:30:47,760
all of our main episodes early uh so

2347
01:30:52,850 --> 01:30:49,980
it's kind of like being a patreon member

2348
01:30:53,870 --> 01:30:52,860
uh but right here on YouTube so you

2349
01:30:56,209 --> 01:30:53,880
don't even have to go to a different

2350
01:30:58,070 --> 01:30:56,219
website it's right here for you again

2351
01:30:59,270 --> 01:30:58,080
all the money goes back into helping the

2352
01:31:02,209 --> 01:30:59,280
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2353
01:31:04,669 --> 01:31:02,219
um continue to grow and um and hopefully

2354
01:31:06,470 --> 01:31:04,679
we can do more of this kind of stuff so

2355
01:31:08,810 --> 01:31:06,480
yeah please check that out uh if you

2356
01:31:11,689 --> 01:31:08,820
want to become a patron same perks same

2357
01:31:12,830 --> 01:31:11,699
benefits that's at patreon.com summer

2358
01:31:15,590 --> 01:31:12,840
Skies

2359
01:31:18,350 --> 01:31:15,600
podcast is every Monday subscribe like

2360
01:31:20,810 --> 01:31:18,360
this video all that stuff check out the

2361
01:31:23,270 --> 01:31:20,820
socials and uh I also just created a

2362
01:31:25,490 --> 01:31:23,280
tick tock so you can join me on Tick

2363
01:31:27,530 --> 01:31:25,500
Tock as well link is in the show notes

2364
01:31:30,530 --> 01:31:27,540
and uh you'll see a different side of me

2365
01:31:32,750 --> 01:31:30,540
over there some fun funny stuff that I

2366
01:31:36,590 --> 01:31:32,760
uh that I got planned for my Tick Tock

2367
01:31:38,689 --> 01:31:36,600
oh God I feel so old The Tick Tock and

2368
01:31:41,270 --> 01:31:38,699
um yeah yeah that's gonna be my kind of

2369
01:31:43,430 --> 01:31:41,280
casual informal social media where I'm

2370
01:31:45,470 --> 01:31:43,440
just gonna go nuts so be sure to check

2371
01:31:47,510 --> 01:31:45,480
me out over there as well

2372
01:31:49,970 --> 01:31:47,520
and that's it guys I'm gonna say good

2373
01:31:52,729 --> 01:31:49,980
night uh thank you so much for joining

2374
01:31:54,709 --> 01:31:52,739
me tonight and as always keep your feet

2375
01:31:56,629 --> 01:31:54,719
on the ground but never stop searching

2376
01:31:57,200 --> 01:31:56,639
somewhere on the skies have a great

2377
01:32:04,880 --> 01:31:57,210
night

2378
01:32:08,270 --> 01:32:04,890
[Music]

2379
01:32:08,270 --> 01:32:08,280
[Applause]

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